YOU DON’T DO THAT.>>NO, IT’S PATENTLY AND PLAINLY>>NO, IT’S PATENTLY AND PLAINLY WRONG. WRONG. AND THE POLLING THAT YOU GUYS AND THE POLLING THAT YOU GUYS JUST WALKED THROUGH MAY EXPLAIN JUST WALKED THROUGH MAY EXPLAIN IN PART WHY NBC IS REPORTING IN PART WHY NBC IS REPORTING THIS MORNING THAT WHITE HOUSE THIS MORNING THAT WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS ARE SCRAMBLING TO OFFICIALS ARE SCRAMBLING TO FIGURE OUT THEIR NEXT TEPS FORST FIGURE OUT THEIR NEXT TEPS FORST COUNTERING THE PUSH FOR COUNTERING THE PUSH FOR IMPEACHMENT. IMPEACHMENT. THERE IS RISING ANXIETY, UNEASE THERE IS RISING ANXIETY, UNEASE AND CONCERN INSIDE WHITE HOUSE AND CONCERN INSIDE WHITE HOUSE THAT THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S THAT THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S ALLEGATIONS WILL SERIOUSLY WOUND ALLEGATIONS WILL SERIOUSLY WOUND THE PRESIDENT. THE PRESIDENT. THEY DESCRIBED A SENSE OF, THEY DESCRIBED A SENSE OF, QUOTE, TOTAL PANIC OVER THE PAST QUOTE, TOTAL PANIC OVER THE PAST WEEK AT THE LACK OF A PLAN TO WEEK AT THE LACK OF A PLAN TO ADDRESS THIS NEW REALITY. ADDRESS THIS NEW REALITY. ANOTHER PERSON FAMILIAR WITH THE ANOTHER PERSON FAMILIAR WITH THE DISCUSSIONS DESCRIBED THE MOOD DISCUSSIONS DESCRIBED THE MOOD INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE AS INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE AS SHELLSHOCKED WITH INCREASING SHELLSHOCKED WITH INCREASING WARINESS THAT AS THE IMPEACHMENT WARINESS THAT AS THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY DRAGS OUT, THE INQUIRY DRAGS OUT, THE LIKELIHOOD INCREASES PRESIDENT LIKELIHOOD INCREASES PRESIDENT TRUMP COULD RESPOND ERRATICALLY TRUMP COULD RESPOND ERRATICALLY AND BECOME, QUOTE RETURN AND BECOME, QUOTE RETURN MANAGEABLE. MANAGEABLE. AS IF THAT HASN’T ALREADY AS IF THAT HASN’T ALREADY HAPPENED. HAPPENED. ACCORDING TO THE “WASHINGTON ACCORDING TO THE “WASHINGTON POST,” TRUMP’S ADVISER ARE POST,” TRUMP’S ADVISER ARE LOOKING AT A SPLIT SCREEN. LOOKING AT A SPLIT SCREEN. HE’S STEPPING UP HIS FALL HE’S STEPPING UP HIS FALL SCHEDULE OF CAMPAIGN RALLIES TO SCHEDULE OF CAMPAIGN RALLIES TO GALVANIZE HIS SUPPORTERS OUTSIDE GALVANIZE HIS SUPPORTERS OUTSIDE OF WASHINGTON AND TO PORTRAY OF WASHINGTON AND TO PORTRAY HOUSE DEMOCRATS AS LIBERAL HOUSE DEMOCRATS AS LIBERAL INSIDERS WHO ARE FOCUSED ON INSIDERS WHO ARE FOCUSED ON IMPEACHMENT INSTEAD OF IMPEACHMENT INSTEAD OF GOVERNING. GOVERNING. THERE’S A PIECE HERE THAT CITES THERE’S A PIECE HERE THAT CITES WHITE HOUSE INSIDERS AND WHITE HOUSE INSIDERS AND OFFICIALS AND THAT IS THAT THIS OFFICIALS AND THAT IS THAT THIS ISN’T A STORY WE CAN TWEET AWAY. ISN’T A STORY WE CAN TWEET AWAY. THERE’S A LINE IF THERE SAYING THERE’S A LINE IF THERE SAYING THIS ISN’T SOMETHING WE CAN MOVE THIS ISN’T SOMETHING WE CAN MOVE ON QUICKLY. ON QUICKLY. WHENEVER THERE’S BEEN SOMETHING WHENEVER THERE’S BEEN SOMETHING BAD FOR THE PRESIDENT HE’S BEEN BAD FOR THE PRESIDENT HE’S BEEN ABLE TO CHANGE THE CONVERSATION. ABLE TO CHANGE THE CONVERSATION. THAT WON’T BE THE CASE HERE. THAT WON’T BE THE CASE HERE.>>IT WON’T.>>IT WON’T. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT’S AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT’S FASCINATING ABOUT THE POLLING IN FASCINATING ABOUT THE POLLING IN PARTICULAR IS IF YOU GET TO PARTICULAR IS IF YOU GET TO ABOUT HALF AND HALF IN THIS ABOUT HALF AND HALF IN THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT, THAT’S THE PARTICULAR MOMENT, THAT’S THE OLD 60/40, RIGHT? OLD 60/40, RIGHT? 50/50 — I NEVER CAN REMEMBER 50/50 — I NEVER CAN REMEMBER THAT PART, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND. THAT PART, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND. 60/40 IN THE OLD DAYS WOULD NOW 60/40 IN THE OLD DAYS WOULD NOW MANIFEST ITSELF AS A PRETTY MANIFEST ITSELF AS A PRETTY EVENLY SPLIT COUNTRY. EVENLY SPLIT COUNTRY. AND THAT’S FOR ALL THE REASONS AND THAT’S FOR ALL THE REASONS WE KNOW THE ENHANCED TRIBALISM, WE KNOW THE ENHANCED TRIBALISM, THE CONSTANT PARTISAN MEDIA THAT THE CONSTANT PARTISAN MEDIA THAT HAS RETURNED, THE 18th, 19th HAS RETURNED, THE 18th, 19th CENTURY MODEL, THAT’S KIND OF CENTURY MODEL, THAT’S KIND OF BACK WHERE WE ARE. BACK WHERE WE ARE. THE THING I’M LOOKING FOR, AND THE THING I’M LOOKING FOR, AND JOE WOULD APPRECIATE THIS, IS JOE WOULD APPRECIATE THIS, IS THE CHARLES WIGGINS MOMENT. THE CHARLES WIGGINS MOMENT. SO, WILLIE, TRY TO CONTROL SO, WILLIE, TRY TO CONTROL YOURSELF WITH YOUR EXCITEMENT YOURSELF WITH YOUR EXCITEMENT AND MIKA ABOUT CHARLES WIGGINS AND MIKA ABOUT CHARLES WIGGINS BEING MENTIONED. BEING MENTIONED. BUT CHARLES WIGGINS, AS MY BUT CHARLES WIGGINS, AS MY FRIEND HAS WRITTEN, WAS A FRIEND HAS WRITTEN, WAS A CALIFORNIA REPUBLICAN CALIFORNIA REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN WHO WAS ALL IN FOR CONGRESSMAN WHO WAS ALL IN FOR NIXON UNTIL AUGUST 2nd, 1974 NIXON UNTIL AUGUST 2nd, 1974 WHEN HE WAS GIVEN A TRANSCRIPT WHEN HE WAS GIVEN A TRANSCRIPT OF THE SMOKING GUN TAPE WHERE OF THE SMOKING GUN TAPE WHERE NIXON TRIES TO USE THE CIA TO NIXON TRIES TO USE THE CIA TO STOP THE FBI. STOP THE FBI. AND AT THAT POINT, READING THE AND AT THAT POINT, READING THE WORDS ON THE PAGE, NOT EVEN WORDS ON THE PAGE, NOT EVEN HEARING IT, BUT READING THE HEARING IT, BUT READING THE WORDS ON THE PAGE A GUY WHO HAD WORDS ON THE PAGE A GUY WHO HAD BEEN TOTALLY FOR NIXON, TOTALLY, BEEN TOTALLY FOR NIXON, TOTALLY, THIS IS AUGUST 2nd, ’74, 25 THIS IS AUGUST 2nd, ’74, 25 MONTHS, 26 MONTHS AFTER THE MONTHS, 26 MONTHS AFTER THE WATERGATE BREAK-IN HE DECIDES AT WATERGATE BREAK-IN HE DECIDES AT THIS POINT HIS DUTY TO HIS THIS POINT HIS DUTY TO HIS CONSTITUTIONAL ROLE IS TO VOTE CONSTITUTIONAL ROLE IS TO VOTE FOR IMPEACHMENT. FOR IMPEACHMENT. THIS WAS A PRO, PRO NIXON GUY IF THIS WAS A PRO, PRO NIXON GUY IF THE WAS THE WORDS ON THE PAGE. THE WAS THE WORDS ON THE PAGE. MY QUESTION IS, WILL THE WORDS MY QUESTION IS, WILL THE WORDS ON THE PAGE HAVE A COUPLE OF ON THE PAGE HAVE A COUPLE OF CHARLES WIGGINS PARTICULARLY IN CHARLES WIGGINS PARTICULARLY IN THE SENATE? THE SENATE?>>I WAS THINKING THE SAME>>I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING. THING.>>I’VE TOLD THE STORY, MIKA AND>>I’VE TOLD THE STORY, MIKA AND MY FATHER MANY TIMES BEFORE, ALL MY FATHER MANY TIMES BEFORE, ALL IN FOR NIXON THROUGH WOODWARD IN FOR NIXON THROUGH WOODWARD AND BERNSTEIN. AND BERNSTEIN. AND WHEN MY DAD SAW THE WORDS ON AND WHEN MY DAD SAW THE WORDS ON THE PAGE, I REMEMBER IT LIKE IT THE PAGE, I REMEMBER IT LIKE IT WAS YESTERDAY. WAS YESTERDAY. I WAS — I THINK I WAS MAYBE 9, I WAS — I THINK I WAS MAYBE 9, 10. 10. AND MY DAD’S SITTING THERE AND MY DAD’S SITTING THERE READING AND HE WAS ALL IN FOR READING AND HE WAS ALL IN FOR NIXON. NIXON. AND IT WAS ALL EASTERN LIBERAL AND IT WAS ALL EASTERN LIBERAL CONSPIRACY. CONSPIRACY. AND I REMEMBER MY DAD LOOKING AT AND I REMEMBER MY DAD LOOKING AT THE NEWSPAPER AND JUST SAYING, THE NEWSPAPER AND JUST SAYING, IF THIS GUY DID HALF OF THIS, HE IF THIS GUY DID HALF OF THIS, HE IS UNWORTHY TO BE PRESIDENT OF IS UNWORTHY TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THE UNITED STATES. AND JUST IS — AND JUST IS –>>IT’S A SAD MOMENT.>>IT’S A SAD MOMENT.>>IT TURNED LIKE THAT.>>IT TURNED LIKE THAT.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>AND WHAT IS SO INTERESTING>>AND WHAT IS SO INTERESTING HERE IS WE HAVE SOME OF THE HERE IS WE HAVE SOME OF THE WORDS ON THE PAGE NOW. WORDS ON THE PAGE NOW.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT.>>THE WHITE HOUSE, THOUGH, HAVE>>THE WHITE HOUSE, THOUGH, HAVE THEIR VERSION OF, QUOTE, THE THEIR VERSION OF, QUOTE, THE TAPES. TAPES.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>THEY MOVED THEM.>>THEY MOVED THEM.>>TO SECRET SERVICE.>>TO SECRET SERVICE.>>NOT FOR CLASSIFIED REASONS,>>NOT FOR CLASSIFIED REASONS, NOT FOR NATIONAL SECURITY NOT FOR NATIONAL SECURITY REASONS, BUT TO PROTECT DONALD REASONS, BUT TO PROTECT DONALD TRUMP FROM EITHER POLITICALLY TRUMP FROM EITHER POLITICALLY DAMAGING CONSEQUENCES OR FROM DAMAGING CONSEQUENCES OR FROM IMPEACHMENT. IMPEACHMENT. AND SO WE ACTUALLY KNOW WHERE AND SO WE ACTUALLY KNOW WHERE THE TRUMP TAPES ARE. THE TRUMP TAPES ARE.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>AND THE QUESTION NOW IS,>>AND THE QUESTION NOW IS, MIKA, HOW DOES CONGRESS GET MIKA, HOW DOES CONGRESS GET THEM? THEM? ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO GO ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE COURTS TO GET THEM THROUGH THE COURTS TO GET THEM TO GET THE VERBATE OF THAT TO GET THE VERBATE OF THAT CONVERSATION WHERE HE LAYS IT CONVERSATION WHERE HE LAYS IT ALL OUT? ALL OUT?>>TOP DEMOCRATS ARE ACCUSING>>TOP DEMOCRATS ARE ACCUSING THE PRESIDENT OF WITNESS THE PRESIDENT OF WITNESS INTIMIDATION AFTER HE ATTACKED INTIMIDATION AFTER HE ATTACKED THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S SOURCES. THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S SOURCES. IT HAPPENED YESTERDAY MORNING AT IT HAPPENED YESTERDAY MORNING AT A PRIVATE EVENT AT THE U.S. A PRIVATE EVENT AT THE U.S. MISSION TO THE UNITED NATIONS. MISSION TO THE UNITED NATIONS. HERE IS THE VIDEO OBTAINED BY HERE IS THE VIDEO OBTAINED BY BLOOMBERG. BLOOMBERG.>>I WANT KNOW WHO’S THE PERSON>>I WANT KNOW WHO’S THE PERSON THAT GAVE THE WHISTLEBLOWER, THAT GAVE THE WHISTLEBLOWER, WHO’S THE PERSON THAT BE GAVE WHO’S THE PERSON THAT BE GAVE THE WHISTLEBLOWER THE THE WHISTLEBLOWER THE INFORMATION? INFORMATION? BECAUSE THAT’S CLOSE TO A SPY. BECAUSE THAT’S CLOSE TO A SPY. YOU KNOW WHAT WE USED TO DO IN YOU KNOW WHAT WE USED TO DO IN THE OLD DAYS WHEN WE WERE SMART, THE OLD DAYS WHEN WE WERE SMART, RIGHT? RIGHT? SPIES AND TREASON, RIGHT? SPIES AND TREASON, RIGHT? WE USED TO HANDLE THEM A LITTLE WE USED TO HANDLE THEM A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN WE DO NOW. DIFFERENTLY THAN WE DO NOW.>>SO, GENE, THE PRESIDENT OF>>SO, GENE, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, WE CAN’T THE UNITED STATES, WE CAN’T UNDERLINE THIS ENOUGH, THE UNDERLINE THIS ENOUGH, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>WHILE AT THE UNITED NATIONS>>WHILE AT THE UNITED NATIONS AT OUR MISSION. AT OUR MISSION.>>IT’S JUST INCREDIBLE.>>IT’S JUST INCREDIBLE.>>TALKING — TALKING TO CIVIL>>TALKING — TALKING TO CIVIL SERVANTS, PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY SERVANTS, PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY WORK FOR THE TAXPAYERS. WORK FOR THE TAXPAYERS.>>EXACTLY.>>EXACTLY.>>SAID OF A WHISTLEBLOWER AND>>SAID OF A WHISTLEBLOWER AND THOSE WHO GAVE THE WHISTLEBLOWER THOSE WHO GAVE THE WHISTLEBLOWER INFORMATION IN EFFECT THAT THEY INFORMATION IN EFFECT THAT THEY WERE SPIES AND IF IT WERE THE WERE SPIES AND IF IT WERE THE GOOD OLD DAYS WE COULD KILL GOOD OLD DAYS WE COULD KILL THEM. THEM.>>YES.>>YES.>>IS BASICALLY WHAT HE SAID.>>IS BASICALLY WHAT HE SAID.>>THAT’S WHAT HE SAID.>>THAT’S WHAT HE SAID. IT WAS A DEATH THREAT. IT WAS A DEATH THREAT.>>ISN’T IT AMAZING HOW IT>>ISN’T IT AMAZING HOW IT PARALLELS WHAT HE SAID IN THE PARALLELS WHAT HE SAID IN THE CAMPAIGN WHERE HE SAID IN THE CAMPAIGN WHERE HE SAID IN THE GOLD OLD GOLD OLD GOOD OLD DAYS WE COULD BEAT THEM GOOD OLD DAYS WE COULD BEAT THEM UP AND TAKE THEM OUT ON A UP AND TAKE THEM OUT ON A STRETCHER? STRETCHER? NOW DONALD TRUMP IS SAYING, IN NOW DONALD TRUMP IS SAYING, IN EFFECT, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO EFFECT, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO KILL WHISTLEBLOWERS. KILL WHISTLEBLOWERS. I HAVEN’T READ THE I HAVEN’T READ THE WHISTLEBLOWERS STATUTE. WHISTLEBLOWERS STATUTE. I’M THINKING IT’S PROBABLY A I’M THINKING IT’S PROBABLY A VIOLATION TO THREATEN — VIOLATION TO THREATEN –>>TO DO THAT.>>TO DO THAT.>>– DEATH.>>– DEATH.>>TO THREATEN DEATH.>>TO THREATEN DEATH.>>RETALIATION AND –>>RETALIATION AND –>>IT PROBABLY IS.>>IT PROBABLY IS.>>– LONG FOR THE DAYS OF>>– LONG FOR THE DAYS OF HANGING PEOPLE. HANGING PEOPLE.>>AND HE DIRECTLY EQUATES>>AND HE DIRECTLY EQUATES WHISTLE BLOWING, WHICH ANY WHISTLE BLOWING, WHICH ANY PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HAS TO CONSIDER A GOOD THING, HAS TO CONSIDER A GOOD THING, RIGHT? RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT’S SUPPOSED TO HELP BECAUSE THAT’S SUPPOSED TO HELP US MAKE GOVERNMENT HONEST, TO US MAKE GOVERNMENT HONEST, TO MAKE IT RUN WELL. MAKE IT RUN WELL.>>WASN’T THERE A WHISTLEBLOWER>>WASN’T THERE A WHISTLEBLOWER THAT STARTED FAST AND FURIOUS? THAT STARTED FAST AND FURIOUS? JUST CURIOUS? JUST CURIOUS?>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>DID ANY REPUBLICANS TALK>>DID ANY REPUBLICANS TALK ABOUT ANY OF THE WHISTLEBLOWERS ABOUT ANY OF THE WHISTLEBLOWERS IN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION? IN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION?>>ABOUT MAYBE –>>ABOUT MAYBE –>>THAT THEY SHOULD BE HANGED.>>THAT THEY SHOULD BE HANGED.>>THEY WERE GREAT, THEY SHOULD>>THEY WERE GREAT, THEY SHOULD GET THE MEDAL OF FREEDOM. GET THE MEDAL OF FREEDOM. BUT WHISTLEBLOWERS AGAINST HIM BUT WHISTLEBLOWERS AGAINST HIM SHOULD GET THE CHAIR. SHOULD GET THE CHAIR. IT IS WITNESS INTIMIDATION IS IT IS WITNESS INTIMIDATION IS WHAT IT IS. WHAT IT IS. IT’S A VERY STARK AND DARK IT’S A VERY STARK AND DARK WARNING TO PEOPLE AROUND HIM WARNING TO PEOPLE AROUND HIM WHO, FRANKLY, LET’S BE HONEST, WHO, FRANKLY, LET’S BE HONEST, WHO HAVE LEAKED LIKE SIEVES FOR WHO HAVE LEAKED LIKE SIEVES FOR HIS ENTIRE — HIS ENTIRE –>>SOMETIMES IT’S WORTH STEPPING>>SOMETIMES IT’S WORTH STEPPING BACK AND PUTTING ASIDE ALL OF BACK AND PUTTING ASIDE ALL OF COMPLAINTS AND TRANSCRIPTS. COMPLAINTS AND TRANSCRIPTS. HAVING A PRESIDENT WHO TALKS HAVING A PRESIDENT WHO TALKS NOSTALGICALLY ABOUT EXECUTING NOSTALGICALLY ABOUT EXECUTING PEOPLE IS BIZARRE AND SCARY. PEOPLE IS BIZARRE AND SCARY.>>AND IT ALSO EQUATES A>>AND IT ALSO EQUATES A WHISTLEBLOWER — WHISTLEBLOWER –>>IT’S ADDING UP.>>IT’S ADDING UP.>>– TO TREASON.>>– TO TREASON.>>AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, IT>>AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, IT DOESN’T SERVE HIM WELL AS ALL IN DOESN’T SERVE HIM WELL AS ALL IN THIS PROCESS, IT MAKES IT MUCH THIS PROCESS, IT MAKES IT MUCH MORE HARDER FOR HIM TO FIGHT MORE HARDER FOR HIM TO FIGHT FEEMT FEEMT IMPEACHMENT AND IT MAKES IT MORE IMPEACHMENT AND IT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT. DIFFICULT.>>LET’S BRING IN FORMER ACTING>>LET’S BRING IN FORMER ACTING SOLICIT IT GENERAL, NOW AN MSNBC SOLICIT IT GENERAL, NOW AN MSNBC LEGAL CONTRIBUTOR NEIL. LEGAL CONTRIBUTOR NEIL. ALSO WHITE HOUSE REPORTER FOR ALSO WHITE HOUSE REPORTER FOR “THE L.A. TIMES” AND NBC “THE L.A. TIMES” AND NBC POLITICAL ANALYSTS ELI STOKOLS. POLITICAL ANALYSTS ELI STOKOLS. “THE LOS ANGELES TIMES” WAS THE “THE LOS ANGELES TIMES” WAS THE FIRST TO OBTAIN THE AUDIO OF FIRST TO OBTAIN THE AUDIO OF THOSE COMMENTS BY PRESIDENT THOSE COMMENTS BY PRESIDENT TRUMP AT THAT PRIVATE EVENT. TRUMP AT THAT PRIVATE EVENT.>>SO, NEIL, LET’S BEGIN WITH>>SO, NEIL, LET’S BEGIN WITH YOU. YOU. TALK ABOUT THE WHISTLEBLOWER TALK ABOUT THE WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT AND YOUR TAKEAWAYS COMPLAINT AND YOUR TAKEAWAYS FROM YESTERDAY’S REVELATIONS. FROM YESTERDAY’S REVELATIONS.>>YEAH, I THINK LEGALLY THE>>YEAH, I THINK LEGALLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THING IS THAT MOST SIGNIFICANT THING IS THAT THE WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT, THE WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT, WHICH WE GOT TO ALL READ WHICH WE GOT TO ALL READ YESTERDAY, AT LEAST BEYOND THE YESTERDAY, AT LEAST BEYOND THE REPUBLICAN SENATORS HAVEN’T READ REPUBLICAN SENATORS HAVEN’T READ IT YET, ALL OF US WHO READ IT I IT YET, ALL OF US WHO READ IT I THINK WE WERE STRUCK BY THE FACT THINK WE WERE STRUCK BY THE FACT THAT THIS IS EERILY SIMILAR, THAT THIS IS EERILY SIMILAR, ALMOST WORD FOR WORD IN PLACES, ALMOST WORD FOR WORD IN PLACES, TO THE READOUT THAT THE WHITE TO THE READOUT THAT THE WHITE HOUSE ISSUED THE DAY BEFORE OF HOUSE ISSUED THE DAY BEFORE OF THE CALL. THE CALL. SO THIS MASSIVELY BOLSTERS THE SO THIS MASSIVELY BOLSTERS THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S CREDIBILITY. WHISTLEBLOWER’S CREDIBILITY. AND THEN WE LEARNED TWO THINGS AND THEN WE LEARNED TWO THINGS YESTERDAY. YESTERDAY. ONE, THAT THE WHISTLEBLOWER SAID ONE, THAT THE WHISTLEBLOWER SAID THAT THERE WAS A PATTERN OF THAT THERE WAS A PATTERN OF HIDING THESE TRANSCRIPTS AND HIDING THESE TRANSCRIPTS AND COMMUNICATIONS WITH FOREIGN COMMUNICATIONS WITH FOREIGN LEADERS AND PUTTING THEM ON LEADERS AND PUTTING THEM ON CLASSIFIED SERVERS WHICH IS A CLASSIFIED SERVERS WHICH IS A FLAT OUT VIOLATION OF EXECUTIVE FLAT OUT VIOLATION OF EXECUTIVE ORDER 1.7, THE CLASSIFICATION ORDER 1.7, THE CLASSIFICATION ORDER. ORDER. THEN SECOND WE SAW THAT THEN SECOND WE SAW THAT REMARKABLE TAPE THAT WE’LL TALK REMARKABLE TAPE THAT WE’LL TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT IN WHICH THE ABOUT IN A MOMENT IN WHICH THE PRESIDENT IS ESSENTIALLY PRESIDENT IS ESSENTIALLY THREATENING THE WHISTLEBLOWER. THREATENING THE WHISTLEBLOWER. ALL OF THAT IS NOT JUST LEGALLY ALL OF THAT IS NOT JUST LEGALLY SIGNIFICANT AND POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT AND POTENTIALLY CRIMINAL, IT’S ATMOSPHERICALLY CRIMINAL, IT’S ATMOSPHERICALLY SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE I THINK THE SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE I THINK THE ENTIRE STORY, THE REASON WHY ENTIRE STORY, THE REASON WHY UKRAINE HAS CAUGHT ON SO MUCH IS UKRAINE HAS CAUGHT ON SO MUCH IS BECAUSE IT FEEDS SOMETHING THAT BECAUSE IT FEEDS SOMETHING THAT I THINK SOME OF US HAD THOUGHT I THINK SOME OF US HAD THOUGHT BUT WE NEVER HAD HARD PROOF OF BUT WE NEVER HAD HARD PROOF OF OR AT LEAST NOT AS MUCH HARD OR AT LEAST NOT AS MUCH HARD PROOF OF, THE IDEA THAT THE PROOF OF, THE IDEA THAT THE PRESIDENT IS NOT ACTING AS THE PRESIDENT IS NOT ACTING AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, HE’S ACTING AS THE PEOPLE, HE’S ACTING AS THE PRESIDENT FOR DONALD TRUMP AND PRESIDENT FOR DONALD TRUMP AND DONALD TRUMP ALONE. DONALD TRUMP ALONE.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT. THE PRESIDENT PUTS HIS OWN SELF THE PRESIDENT PUTS HIS OWN SELF INTERESTS ABOVE THE COUNTRY INTERESTS ABOVE THE COUNTRY EVERY DAY HE’S IN THE OFFICE. EVERY DAY HE’S IN THE OFFICE. AND CERTAINLY FOR PEOPLE THAT AND CERTAINLY FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR THREE HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR THREE YEARS, THIS UKRAINE STORY YEARS, THIS UKRAINE STORY CERTAINLY UNDERLINES THAT FACT. CERTAINLY UNDERLINES THAT FACT. NEIL, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE NEIL, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE PROCEDURE OF GETTING — YOU TALK PROCEDURE OF GETTING — YOU TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT IS A ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT IS A VIOLATION OF AN EXECUTIVE ORDER. VIOLATION OF AN EXECUTIVE ORDER. HOW DO DEMOCRATS, HOW DO HOW DO DEMOCRATS, HOW DO AMERICANS GET TRANSPARENCY? AMERICANS GET TRANSPARENCY? HOW DO THEY GET THESE HOW DO THEY GET THESE TRANSCRIPTS, THESE TAPES OF TRANSCRIPTS, THESE TAPES OF PHONE CALLS THAT THE WHITE HOUSE PHONE CALLS THAT THE WHITE HOUSE INTENTIONALLY CLASSIFIED INTENTIONALLY CLASSIFIED INCORRECTLY IN VIOLATION OF THAT INCORRECTLY IN VIOLATION OF THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER? EXECUTIVE ORDER?>>WELL, I TELL YOU WHAT THEY>>WELL, I TELL YOU WHAT THEY SHOULDN’T HAVE TO DO, WHICH IS SHOULDN’T HAVE TO DO, WHICH IS GO TO COURT. GO TO COURT. THEY’LL WIN IN COURT JUST AS IN THEY’LL WIN IN COURT JUST AS IN THE NIXON TAPE CASE, THE THE NIXON TAPE CASE, THE PROSECUTORS WON THERE TO GET PROSECUTORS WON THERE TO GET THAT. THAT. BUT THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, A BUT THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, A GRAVE PERVERSION OF OUR JUSTICE GRAVE PERVERSION OF OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM TO FORCE OUR MEMBERS OF SYSTEM TO FORCE OUR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS GO TO COURT. CONGRESS GO TO COURT. THE WHOLE POINT HERE IS THAT THE WHOLE POINT HERE IS THAT THIS STUFF HAS BEEN THIS STUFF HAS BEEN MISCLASSIFIED AND HIDDEN FROM MISCLASSIFIED AND HIDDEN FROM NOT JUST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, NOT JUST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, BUT EVEN PEOPLE WITHIN THE BUT EVEN PEOPLE WITHIN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. EXECUTIVE BRANCH. AND SO I THINK THAT IT’S THE AND SO I THINK THAT IT’S THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH’S OBLIGATION TO EXECUTIVE BRANCH’S OBLIGATION TO TURN THAT INFORMATION OVER TO TURN THAT INFORMATION OVER TO THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES. THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES. AND IF THEY DON’T, I THINK AND IF THEY DON’T, I THINK CONGRESS WOULD BE WELL WITHIN CONGRESS WOULD BE WELL WITHIN ITS RIGHT TO SELECTIVELY DEFUND ITS RIGHT TO SELECTIVELY DEFUND ANYONE BEHIND THIS AND GO AFTER ANYONE BEHIND THIS AND GO AFTER THESE PEOPLE. THESE PEOPLE. THIS WOULD BE AN OUTAGE US THING THIS WOULD BE AN OUTAGE US THING TO DO TO HIDE THIS FROM THE TO DO TO HIDE THIS FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. AMERICAN PEOPLE.>>LET’S MOVE TO THE>>LET’S MOVE TO THE WHISTLEBLOWER COMMENTS THE WHISTLEBLOWER COMMENTS THE PRESIDENT MADE YESTERDAY TALKING PRESIDENT MADE YESTERDAY TALKING LONGINGLY ABOUT THE DAYS OF LONGINGLY ABOUT THE DAYS OF PEOPLE THAT COMMITTED TREASON PEOPLE THAT COMMITTED TREASON WERE EXECUTED AND SUGGESTING WERE EXECUTED AND SUGGESTING THAT THE SAME THING SHOULD THAT THE SAME THING SHOULD HAPPEN TO THOSE THAT GAVE HAPPEN TO THOSE THAT GAVE INFORMATION TO THE INFORMATION TO THE WHISTLEBLOWER. WHISTLEBLOWER. WHAT’S YOUR REAECTION TO THATCTI WHAT’S YOUR REAECTION TO THATCTI WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES TO WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES TO THAT? THAT?>>I WAS SO DISGUSTED BY THAT.>>I WAS SO DISGUSTED BY THAT. I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF DEFENDING I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF DEFENDING THE LAST WHISTLEBLOWER IN A THE LAST WHISTLEBLOWER IN A NATIONAL SECURITY CASE AT THE NATIONAL SECURITY CASE AT THE SUPREME COURT, AND REPUBLICANS SUPREME COURT, AND REPUBLICANS CAME TO HIS DEFENSE. CAME TO HIS DEFENSE. OF COURSE THIS WAS DURING THE OF COURSE THIS WAS DURING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. SO, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A DIFFERENT SO, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A DIFFERENT THING. THING. PEOPLE LIKE SENATOR CHUCK PEOPLE LIKE SENATOR CHUCK GRASSLEY AND OTHERS SAYING THIS GRASSLEY AND OTHERS SAYING THIS IS THE MOST PROUD AMERICAN IS THE MOST PROUD AMERICAN TRADITION, IT GOES ALL THE WAY TRADITION, IT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE CONTINENTAL BACK TO THE CONTINENTAL CONGRESS. CONGRESS. WE HEARD NONE OF THAT YESTERDAY. WE HEARD NONE OF THAT YESTERDAY. INSTEAD WE HEARD THE PRESIDENT INSTEAD WE HEARD THE PRESIDENT EFFECTIVELY THREATENING A EFFECTIVELY THREATENING A WITNESS. WITNESS. THERE’S A CRIMINAL STATUTE THAT THERE’S A CRIMINAL STATUTE THAT MAKES IT A CRIME TO THREAT & IEN MAKES IT A CRIME TO THREAT & IEN WITNESS BEFORE CONGRESS. WITNESS BEFORE CONGRESS. IT’S DESPICABLE AND IMPEACHABLE IT’S DESPICABLE AND IMPEACHABLE BEHAVIOR AND IT’S THE LAST THING BEHAVIOR AND IT’S THE LAST THING WE SHOULD EXPECT FROM THE WE SHOULD EXPECT FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.>>NEIL, WE KNOW YOU HAVE TO GO.>>NEIL, WE KNOW YOU HAVE TO GO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US ON THIS BIG DAY. US ON THIS BIG DAY. OKAY, SO ELI STOKE HE WILLOLS AR OKAY, SO ELI STOKE HE WILLOLS AR THAT WE NEED MORE, BUT IF YOU THAT WE NEED MORE, BUT IF YOU COULD GIVE US SOME ARE ACTIONREA COULD GIVE US SOME ARE ACTIONREA THE ROOM, BUT ALSO I THINK WE’RE THE ROOM, BUT ALSO I THINK WE’RE AT THE POINT WHERE THE PRESIDENT AT THE POINT WHERE THE PRESIDENT SAYS SOMETHING AND IT’S EVEN SAYS SOMETHING AND IT’S EVEN FLIP. FLIP. SURE, I WOULD TAKE HELP FROM A SURE, I WOULD TAKE HELP FROM A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT IF THEY GIVE FOREIGN GOVERNMENT IF THEY GIVE ME THE INFORMATION, WHY NOT? ME THE INFORMATION, WHY NOT? THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO TAKE IT THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. SERIOUSLY.>>WE KNOW TO TAKE HIM LITERALLY>>WE KNOW TO TAKE HIM LITERALLY AND SERIOUSLY. AND SERIOUSLY.>>WELL, THAT’S THE WHOLE, YOU>>WELL, THAT’S THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, PROBLEM WITH THIS WHOLE KNOW, PROBLEM WITH THIS WHOLE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND THIS TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND THIS PRESIDENT WHO THEIR LANGUAGE IS PRESIDENT WHO THEIR LANGUAGE IS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU’RE ALWAYS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU’RE ALWAYS SORT OF MYSTIFIED AND THEN THE SORT OF MYSTIFIED AND THEN THE PRESIDENT WANTS IT TO BE SORT OF PRESIDENT WANTS IT TO BE SORT OF OPTIONAL WHETHER OR NOT HE’S TO OPTIONAL WHETHER OR NOT HE’S TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY OR LITERALLY. BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY OR LITERALLY. AND HE’S THE ONE AND HIS AND HE’S THE ONE AND HIS ADVISERS ARE THE ONE THAT GET TO ADVISERS ARE THE ONE THAT GET TO DECIDE THAT AFTER THE FACT, IF DECIDE THAT AFTER THE FACT, IF HE SAYS SOMETHING THAT’S HE SAYS SOMETHING THAT’S DAMAGING TO HIM OBVIOUSLY DAMAGING TO HIM OBVIOUSLY THEY’RE GOING TO SAY HE’S JUST THEY’RE GOING TO SAY HE’S JUST JOKING. JOKING. BUT HE’S THE PRESIDENT OF THE BUT HE’S THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. UNITED STATES. HIS WORDS MATTER. HIS WORDS MATTER. AND THAT’S, YOU KNOW, AND THAT’S, YOU KNOW, JOURNALISTS HAVE TRIED TO HOLD JOURNALISTS HAVE TRIED TO HOLD THIS PRESIDENT TO ACCOUNT WITH THIS PRESIDENT TO ACCOUNT WITH FALSEHOODS OR STATEMENTS THAT FALSEHOODS OR STATEMENTS THAT PEOPLE DON’T REFLECT THE PEOPLE DON’T REFLECT THE CHARACTER OF THE COUNTRY. CHARACTER OF THE COUNTRY. BUT IN THIS CASE, THE PRESIDENT BUT IN THIS CASE, THE PRESIDENT WALKS INTO A ROOM AT 9:00 A.M. WALKS INTO A ROOM AT 9:00 A.M. IN NEW YORK CITY, A HOTEL IN NEW YORK CITY, A HOTEL BALLROOM FOR A PRIVATE EVENT TO BALLROOM FOR A PRIVATE EVENT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR THE U.S. THANK THE STAFF FOR THE U.S. MISSION TO THE UNITED NATIONS. MISSION TO THE UNITED NATIONS. THESE ARE MOST — THIS IS A THESE ARE MOST — THIS IS A NONPARTISAN GROUP. NONPARTISAN GROUP. THESE ARE PEOPLE, DIPLOMATS WHO THESE ARE PEOPLE, DIPLOMATS WHO WORKED TO HELP THE PRESIDENT OF WORKED TO HELP THE PRESIDENT OF THE U.S. STAFF DURING THE THE U.S. STAFF DURING THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY THIS WEEK IN GENERAL ASSEMBLY THIS WEEK IN NEW YORK AND THEY EXPECT MAYBE NEW YORK AND THEY EXPECT MAYBE NOT FROM THIS PRESIDENT, BUT NOT FROM THIS PRESIDENT, BUT THEY HAVE GENERALLY EXPECT AND THEY HAVE GENERALLY EXPECT AND EVENT LIKE THIS AS A SORT OF PRO EVENT LIKE THIS AS A SORT OF PRO FORMA THANK YOU, THANKS FOR ALL FORMA THANK YOU, THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND MOVE ON. YOUR HARD WORK AND MOVE ON. BUT TRUMP COMES IN AND WITHIN BUT TRUMP COMES IN AND WITHIN ABOUT 30 SECONDS OF HIM TAKING ABOUT 30 SECONDS OF HIM TAKING THE STAGE, YOU KNOW, IT’S THE THE STAGE, YOU KNOW, IT’S THE SAME FREE ASSOCIATION STREAM OF SAME FREE ASSOCIATION STREAM OF CONSCIOUSNESS KIND OF MONOLOGUE CONSCIOUSNESS KIND OF MONOLOGUE THAT WE’RE USED TO FROM THE THAT WE’RE USED TO FROM THE PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. AND HE LET THAT ROOM KNOW AND HE LET THAT ROOM KNOW QUICKLY WHAT WAS ON HIS MIND QUICKLY WHAT WAS ON HIS MIND BECAUSE WITHIN 30 SECONDS OF BECAUSE WITHIN 30 SECONDS OF TAKING THE STAGE HE STARTS GOING TAKING THE STAGE HE STARTS GOING ON ABOUT THE WHISTLEBLOWER. ON ABOUT THE WHISTLEBLOWER. EQUATING THE WHISTLEBLOWER TO EQUATING THE WHISTLEBLOWER TO ALMOST A SPY, THEN COMPLAINING ALMOST A SPY, THEN COMPLAINING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN HIS ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN HIS ADMINISTRATION WHO MAY HAVE TOLD ADMINISTRATION WHO MAY HAVE TOLD THE WHISTLEBLOWER THE THE WHISTLEBLOWER THE INFORMATION THAT IS IN THEIR INFORMATION THAT IS IN THEIR COMPLAINT. COMPLAINT. AND THAT REALLY UPSET THE AND THAT REALLY UPSET THE PRESIDENT AND YOU PLAYED THE PRESIDENT AND YOU PLAYED THE CLIP. CLIP. AND WHEN HE SAID THAT LINE AND WHEN HE SAID THAT LINE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE OLD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE OLD DAYS WHAT WE USED TO DO TO SPIES DAYS WHAT WE USED TO DO TO SPIES AND TRAITORS BACK WHEN WE WERE AND TRAITORS BACK WHEN WE WERE SMART, YOU KNOW, THE ROOM WAS SMART, YOU KNOW, THE ROOM WAS MOSTLY SILENCE EVEN THOUGH THERE MOSTLY SILENCE EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE A FEW LAUGHS THAT WERE WERE A FEW LAUGHS THAT WERE AUDIBLE ON THAT TAPE. AUDIBLE ON THAT TAPE.>>THIS IS ANOTHER CASE I THINK>>THIS IS ANOTHER CASE I THINK WHERE WE CAN’T GRADE ON THE WHERE WE CAN’T GRADE ON THE TRUMP CURVE. TRUMP CURVE. HE SAYS THINGS LIKE THIS. HE SAYS THINGS LIKE THIS. THIS IS INCREDIBLY SERIOUS FOR THIS IS INCREDIBLY SERIOUS FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO MUSE ABOUT EXECUTION STATES TO MUSE ABOUT EXECUTION OF SPIES. OF SPIES. AND HE SAYS THE PEOPLE THAT AND HE SAYS THE PEOPLE THAT PROVIDED THE INFORMATION TO THE PROVIDED THE INFORMATION TO THE WHISTLEBLOWER ALMOST A SPY. WHISTLEBLOWER ALMOST A SPY. WHAT DOES IT TELL YOU AS A WHITE WHAT DOES IT TELL YOU AS A WHITE HOUSE REPORTER, AS SOMEBODY WHO HOUSE REPORTER, AS SOMEBODY WHO COVERS THIS PRESIDENT ABOUT THE COVERS THIS PRESIDENT ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S STATE OF MIND RIGHT PRESIDENT’S STATE OF MIND RIGHT NOW AND WHERE THE WHITE HOUSE IS NOW AND WHERE THE WHITE HOUSE IS THAT HE WALKED INTO THAT ROOM IN THAT HE WALKED INTO THAT ROOM IN FRONT OF THE U.N. MISSION PUBLIC FRONT OF THE U.N. MISSION PUBLIC SERVANTS AND THEIR FAMILIES, SERVANTS AND THEIR FAMILIES, WALKED UP TO THE MIKECROPHONES A WALKED UP TO THE MIKECROPHONES A BEGAN TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE BEING BEGAN TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE BEING ALMOST SPIES AND EXECUTING THEM? ALMOST SPIES AND EXECUTING THEM?>>IT TELLS YOU HE’S A BIT>>IT TELLS YOU HE’S A BIT AGITATE AND I THINK SURPRISED BY AGITATE AND I THINK SURPRISED BY THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. HE BASICALLY SAID THE OTHER DAY HE BASICALLY SAID THE OTHER DAY AT HIS PRESS CONFERENCE WHEN HE AT HIS PRESS CONFERENCE WHEN HE WAS ASKED ABOUT IMPEACHMENT HE WAS ASKED ABOUT IMPEACHMENT HE SAID I THOUGHT THIS THING WAS SAID I THOUGHT THIS THING WAS DEAD. DEAD. HE BASICALLY IS TELLING US THAT HE BASICALLY IS TELLING US THAT HE WAS ACTING, HE BELIEVED, WITH HE WAS ACTING, HE BELIEVED, WITH IMMUNITY AFTER BOB MUELLER’S IMMUNITY AFTER BOB MUELLER’S REPORT CAME OUT, AFTER MUELLER REPORT CAME OUT, AFTER MUELLER TESTIFIED BEFORE CONGRESS, HE TESTIFIED BEFORE CONGRESS, HE THOUGHT HE WAS IN THE CLEAR. THOUGHT HE WAS IN THE CLEAR. BUT BEYOND THAT, IT DOESN’T BUT BEYOND THAT, IT DOESN’T REALLY TELL US MUCH NEW ABOUT REALLY TELL US MUCH NEW ABOUT THIS PRESIDENT AT ALL. THIS PRESIDENT AT ALL. THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE LEFT IN THIS ADMINISTRATION WHO LEFT IN THIS ADMINISTRATION WHO CAN CORRAL THE PRESIDENT, KEEP CAN CORRAL THE PRESIDENT, KEEP HIM FOCUSED, KEEP HIM OFF OF HIM FOCUSED, KEEP HIM OFF OF TWITTER AND KEEP HIM FROM GOING TWITTER AND KEEP HIM FROM GOING INTO A ROOM AND SAYING WHAT’S INTO A ROOM AND SAYING WHAT’S ACTUALLY ON HIS MIND, EVEN IF ACTUALLY ON HIS MIND, EVEN IF THAT MAY BE POTENTIALLY DAMAGING THAT MAY BE POTENTIALLY DAMAGING TO HIM. TO HIM. THAT’S WHERE THIS WHITE HOUSE IS THAT’S WHERE THIS WHITE HOUSE IS AFTER 2 1/2 PLUS YEARS OR SO. AFTER 2 1/2 PLUS YEARS OR SO. HE REALLY HOLLOWED OUT ALL THE HE REALLY HOLLOWED OUT ALL THE FOLKS IN THERE WHO USED TO BE FOLKS IN THERE WHO USED TO BE BRAKES ON HIS IMPULSIVE BRAKES ON HIS IMPULSIVE BEHAVIORS. BEHAVIORS.>>A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS YOU>>A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS YOU DESCRIBED I THINK HE HAD LEAVE. DESCRIBED I THINK HE HAD LEAVE. ELI STOKOLS, THANK YOU VERY, ELI STOKOLS, THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH FOR BEING ON THE SHOW VERY MUCH FOR BEING ON THE SHOW THIS MORNING. THIS MORNING.>>IT REALLY IS, THE TIMING OF>>IT REALLY IS, THE TIMING OF IT IS EXTRAORDINARY, IS IT NOT, IT IS EXTRAORDINARY, IS IT NOT, THAT MUELLER — MUELLER ENDS AND THAT MUELLER — MUELLER ENDS AND HE IMMEDIATELY LURCHES TOWARDS HE IMMEDIATELY LURCHES TOWARDS THE NEXT ONE. THE NEXT ONE. MUELLER TESTIFIED, THE NEXT DAY MUELLER TESTIFIED, THE NEXT DAY WAS THE PHONE CALL TO THE WAS THE PHONE CALL TO THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT. UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT.>>IT LITERALLY WAS 24 HOURS.>>IT LITERALLY WAS 24 HOURS.>>THIS REMINDS ME, I’M NOT>>THIS REMINDS ME, I’M NOT DRAWING ANY MORAL EQUIVALENCY. DRAWING ANY MORAL EQUIVALENCY. CLINTON SUPPORTERSLY TO THROUGH CLINTON SUPPORTERSLY TO THROUGH YEARS SAID PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS YEARS SAID PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS AFTER US. AFTER US. WHY ARE THEY ALWAYS AFTER US? WHY ARE THEY ALWAYS AFTER US? BECAUSE ON SO MANY THINGS THEY BECAUSE ON SO MANY THINGS THEY WENT RIGHT UP TO THE LINE OR WENT RIGHT UP TO THE LINE OR OVER THE LINE, RIGHT? OVER THE LINE, RIGHT? NOBODY DID THAT WITH BARACK NOBODY DID THAT WITH BARACK OBAMA. OBAMA. I DON’T REMEMBER SCANDAL AFTER I DON’T REMEMBER SCANDAL AFTER SCANDAL ON BARACK OBAMA, UNLESS SCANDAL ON BARACK OBAMA, UNLESS OF COURSE IT WAS MANUFACTURED. OF COURSE IT WAS MANUFACTURED. AND — BUT HERE WITH DONALD AND — BUT HERE WITH DONALD TRUMP ALWAYS, HE DOESN’T GO UP TRUMP ALWAYS, HE DOESN’T GO UP TO THE LINE LIKE THE CLINTONS. TO THE LINE LIKE THE CLINTONS. HE BARRELS THROUGH IT. HE BARRELS THROUGH IT.>>TWO THINGS ON THIS.>>TWO THINGS ON THIS. IT’S SELF-DESTRUCTIVE BEHAVIOR. IT’S SELF-DESTRUCTIVE BEHAVIOR.>>OBVIOUSLY.>>OBVIOUSLY.>>I THINK THERE’S A GENERAL>>I THINK THERE’S A GENERAL MISCALCULATION ON THE PART OF WE MISCALCULATION ON THE PART OF WE REPORTED THIS YESTERDAY. REPORTED THIS YESTERDAY. THE WHITE HOUSE DID NOT THE WHITE HOUSE DID NOT ANTICIPATE THAT PELOSI WOULD DO ANTICIPATE THAT PELOSI WOULD DO IMPEACHMENT. IMPEACHMENT. THEY STILL THINK IT’S A BLUFF TO THEY STILL THINK IT’S A BLUFF TO A CERTAIN DEGREE AND THEY ARE A CERTAIN DEGREE AND THEY ARE NOT — I WAS TOLD BY A SENIOR NOT — I WAS TOLD BY A SENIOR OFFICIAL THEY’RE NOT EVEN OFFICIAL THEY’RE NOT EVEN PREPARING A WAR ROOM INSIDE THE PREPARING A WAR ROOM INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE TO HANDLE THIS. WHITE HOUSE TO HANDLE THIS.>>I KEEP HEARING LINDSEY SAY GO>>I KEEP HEARING LINDSEY SAY GO AHEAD AND DO IT, LET’S SEE YOU AHEAD AND DO IT, LET’S SEE YOU DO IT. DO IT. YES, THEY’RE GOING TO DO IT. YES, THEY’RE GOING TO DO IT.>>WE’RE THERE.>>WE’RE THERE.>>HE DOESN’T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT>>HE DOESN’T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT WHAT’S HAPPENING ON THEN OF WHAT’S HAPPENING ON THEN OF PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE. PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE. THEY HAVE NO CLUE WHATSOEVER. THEY HAVE NO CLUE WHATSOEVER. AND, YOU KNOW, ON THE TIMING, HE

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  • September 30, 2019 at 3:17 am
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    Trump is giving a hitjob 2 his followers/the people there, hopes that one will act.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 3:24 am
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    The whistleblower should get the Nobel Peace Prize. The world will be at peace without Donnie in the Whitehouse.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 3:25 am
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    getting away with everything he's done so far, no wonder he's surprised this isn't going away

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  • September 30, 2019 at 3:37 am
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    Clowns chasing their tails, Trump was his own whistleblower….fooled you all to bring up all what he said…but after that comes all what Biden said and done in Ukraine

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  • September 30, 2019 at 3:41 am
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    That look when the authorities find a dead intern in someone's office but that person can still find the time to have a "secret" relationship with a war criminals daughter….
    #MultiTasking

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  • September 30, 2019 at 3:58 am
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    i don't think people properly understand that when ever Trump or Pence go to a Trump property they are spending US tax dollars to stay there, as well as their security detail. Your money is going into one of his properties to host him while he stays there . He's milking taxpayers essentially. And he's also excepting bribe indirectly as well. The Ukrainian President even admits to spending money at Trump's property in their convo, as if that fact would somehow play to Trump's ego/greed.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 4:12 am
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    "as if that hasn't already happened"
    Good on you to stay biased

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  • September 30, 2019 at 4:30 am
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    You know what? YANG2020 $1000.00 a month is exactly what the middle and lower class needs in America. Once "America" (for the first time ever) wins the White House and get that $1000.00 a month: Never again!! Will any candidate of any party be able to win office if they are not adding to that $1000.00 a month.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 4:37 am
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    Morning BS.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 4:40 am
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    Trump's kids need to convince Daddy that it is time to GO! Brazil might be nice this time of year.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 4:44 am
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    Come over here Trump and bring your Bird

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  • September 30, 2019 at 4:47 am
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    Remember, Mueller promised Trump jail for life, as soon as he left his office as president. Then Mueller findings can be acted upon. so Trump is seriously nervous, not only impeachment but jail is at his threshold.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 4:48 am
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    Twitter needs to cancel his account, for all the death threats, spy talk, treason, etc. cancel his account.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 4:49 am
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    Nixon tried to hide and destroy all the tapes …..same deal with Trump, they are hiding and moving lots of info to a separate server in past year….big coverup for other stuff too.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 4:50 am
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    Find the other server…..what is in that other server??????

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  • September 30, 2019 at 4:56 am
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    Excellently news casting. Thank you.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 4:59 am
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    The Whistle Blower should never, ever expose who he/ she is. Secluded room, voice changer. Not just behind a curtain, that is too dangerous. They need to sit in a bullet proof dark room so no one ever knows who it is and the REPORTERS RESPECT THEIR IDENTITY. Trump is threatening the person with DEATH. that is serious.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 5:00 am
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    If we have all the written evidence, what is the point of the WB coming into testify?

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  • September 30, 2019 at 5:15 am
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    If stringing up spies was legal, the first to go would be traitor Trump.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 5:19 am
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    The only crime that would make Senate republicans impeach is if Trump starts murdering Senate republicans.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 5:26 am
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    Remember what we used to do to liars and thieves in the good old days?
    Remember public stockades and cutting off tongues and hands?

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  • September 30, 2019 at 5:35 am
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    Trump will be President in 2020!! deal with it democrats !!!

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  • September 30, 2019 at 5:44 am
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    1) Witness intimidation 2) Inciting violence.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 5:58 am
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    It's only a good thing if it is the TRUTH!!!

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  • September 30, 2019 at 6:13 am
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    Trump is the swamp

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  • September 30, 2019 at 6:34 am
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    He started acting like a wannabe godfather when things don't go his way.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 6:59 am
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    Please swap out the real football with a replica of it, keep the world safe

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  • September 30, 2019 at 7:20 am
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    May I ask where is Bradly Manning, where is Edward Snowden? These hypocrites in the so called "mainstream media" are all liars. If they were honest they would have campaigned for Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden's freedom. Trump, Hillary, Biden are all very corrupt. Remove money from politics as much as possible to remove the corruption from political system.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 7:31 am
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    Problem is … Trump will say "Me? The President! Threatening the Witness. No way. I was just Joking". This is serious …. We cannot have other Countries think that President from America is a Joke.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 8:26 am
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    At some point you have to look inside yourself and choose rather you love this country or you love a criminal more. Sad to say alot of people are backing a criminal. But they have no problem with the prisons being full of black and brown people with addiction issues.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 8:27 am
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    I'm moved to tears at the courage of this whistleblower. Thank you so very much.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 8:46 am
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    Putin doesn't have Trump's back anymore.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 9:01 am
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    The orange gets peeled 🍊 💩

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  • September 30, 2019 at 9:49 am
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    We all need to vote this president and administration out of office next year no matter what. A ham sandwich would be better.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 10:16 am
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    At around 17.20, Barrack Obama once wore a TAN SUIT…

    Just sayin'…

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  • September 30, 2019 at 10:55 am
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    Do you remember the eight years of Obama's weekly scandals and all his staff being in an acting roll in his administration? What about most of his staff being put in jail? Yeah, me neither.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 11:44 am
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    The day after Mueller investigation ends, Trump violates that very law most blatently and follws it up with an interview in which he stated that if he got help from a foreign power he'd 'take it'. Examples, are best made by the judiciary of those who most egregiously break the law. Trump is calling out for justice.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 11:45 am
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    Two different set of laws for Democrats and republikkkans.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 11:57 am
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    And thats the Leader of a supposed Free world, Putin is rubbing off on President Fart (Trump in English)

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  • September 30, 2019 at 12:04 pm
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    Is Donald Trump acting as if he is innocent?

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  • September 30, 2019 at 12:14 pm
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    TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME……..

    M S N B C………..MUD SUCKING NOTHING BUT CRAP………. NON-NEWS NETWORK…….

    TRUMP IN 2020 !!! MAGA !!!! KAGAlways !!!

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  • September 30, 2019 at 12:16 pm
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    put your hand down joe—tired of all the newscasters flopping their hands etc etc. its really gotten bad

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  • September 30, 2019 at 12:28 pm
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    stop trashing hilary joe!

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  • September 30, 2019 at 12:39 pm
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    And now will it be acknowledged that the spirit of Judas is fooly and totally
    in A-bad – Don- allturd Trump .. can Judas be removed from the power of the
    " That he might go to his own place " that place is the Office of the presidency
    very interesting, we will soon see that " Judas is in his place forever…..

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  • September 30, 2019 at 12:51 pm
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    I love the way everything Trump spews has to be translated by his minions for public consumption. Trump has scuff marks on his knuckles.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 12:56 pm
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    It is called lynching and is illegal. Yu have t have a trial , but Dnnie wants t be tht Red Queem.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 12:57 pm
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    This dictator has to go

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  • September 30, 2019 at 1:03 pm
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    The tapes are government property paid for by our taxes. Congress should have the rights to obtain them.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 1:12 pm
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    Let Eugene talk!

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  • September 30, 2019 at 1:17 pm
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    Oh GOD, when will the wicked cease their troubling, and the weary be at rest? Bad karma is catching up to Trump! We reap what we sow I suppose. Amen & Amen! 🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂. Cheers and beers 🍺 mates!

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  • September 30, 2019 at 1:25 pm
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    Barr, minuchin, Giuliani pence, and pompeo need to all be impeached. All if them are behaving like criminals and should be treated as such since there crime boss trump will be impeached for all of his political criminality.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 1:34 pm
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    Let’s be real, Americans voted for Trump as a joke. It got serious when the joke actually got elected. He’s not just a blabbering fool, now he’s an active criminal and needs to be in prison.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 1:39 pm
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    Does Starbucks pay for all this product payment?

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  • September 30, 2019 at 1:45 pm
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    🕊🕊🕊💕👸💕👑💟👨‍👩‍👧‍👧🕊🦋👨‍👩‍👧‍👧😭Women should rule as president of the world. She gave birth to the world, we have seen throughout the ages that the man is cruel in his rule and women loving and peaceful. The world needs peace. Wisdom of the world women. The sun for everyone. The tree grows two-thirds of the earth's water. It is for the mind of humans to be upright. I see you inside my mind. Dear peace👨‍👩‍👧‍👧🦋

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  • September 30, 2019 at 2:17 pm
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    Protect the identity of the whistleblower at all costs.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 2:20 pm
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    The republicans value money and power so they will dismiss and deflect and point fingers at everyone else.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 2:27 pm
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    Faker 45 is a thug, he always has been and always shall be.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 2:33 pm
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    If it were the ol' days, Donald would have already been swimming with the fishes! He wishes he were the gangster, instead of having to answer to them! He screwed sooo many people with his shoddy business deals. Now, Trump himself, IS the traitor!!!

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  • September 30, 2019 at 2:35 pm
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    "Impeach, Indict, Imprison" seems to be the increasing rally cry today. Stay tuned.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 2:49 pm
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    Why does Joe constantly interrupt Mika? #RudeMuch? She wasn't even done thanking the gentlemen for being there and he's on to another discussion. That's not cool and you can tell from her expression ( shaking her head) that she felt some kinda way about it.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 2:52 pm
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    Didn't I hear a little repressed laughter in the audience too in response to his rambling complaints??

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  • September 30, 2019 at 2:53 pm
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    MSNBC couldn't tell the truth if their lives depended on it. All this fake news stories make anything you day null.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 2:58 pm
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    Got a targeted ad from Trump that was laughably corrupt for visiting this site, a poll so rigged that he feels the need to make electing himself the only choice LOL, what a sad JOKE!

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  • September 30, 2019 at 3:25 pm
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    Headline- Ukraine shakedown causes mental breakdown.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 3:36 pm
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    Are a whistleblower a spy? Isa spy a terrorist?

    😂 😂 😂 Why are you not being watched as a terrorists? News people can carry information freely and cause wars? Should you be impartial? 😂 😂 😂

    Just my thoughts.

    Peace and love.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 3:48 pm
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    To the Whistleblower…THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! You are a TRUE AMERICAN HERO!

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  • September 30, 2019 at 4:20 pm
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    Trump is like a huge cyst on America's butt that puss is pouring out of because there's so much of it. 🙁 He's actually giving some crazy person out there who is his follower permission to murder the whistleblower! I've said it before. Trump is a murderer at heart. 🙁

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  • September 30, 2019 at 4:37 pm
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    Now he wants to whack the whistleblower ffs and your all moaning about him and now it’s to late for the rest of us why don’t you have a good giggle at that cause believe me I do not believe what he’s been allowed to get away with, us people in Britain and everyone else around the world are walking on eggshells and he’s sat down totally delusional and mentally unfit and you politicians have sat back and done nothing well why don’t you have a little giggle while you still can. LUNATIC is the name I’m thinking of surly 😡 try to have a good day Stevie

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  • September 30, 2019 at 5:03 pm
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    Yes trump threatened the whistleblower an if God forbid something should happen to the whistlblower trump should be put in jail !!! If trump would turn in his tax returns that will nail his coffin shut follow his money GET THOSE TAX RETURNS !!!!

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  • September 30, 2019 at 5:18 pm
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    DONALD TRUMP should be lucky this is not the olden days… A spy like himself would get shot.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 5:40 pm
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    all he said in the old day things were taken care a certain way

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  • September 30, 2019 at 5:53 pm
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    Indeed, managing the descent of the blimp is a real concern DJ T would happily accept another Civil War over taking his just desserts. Hoping for as little collateral damage as possible.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 5:57 pm
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    SO, our president decided to become Emperor Palpatine  huh? Well, its time to take the gloves off. "He is in charge of the Senate and the Courts he is much too dangerous to…."

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  • September 30, 2019 at 6:04 pm
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    What a ghoul. He is the traitor, not the whistleblower. Straight out of the Kremlin. Wake up America. Watch The Square. We are living in the dinner party scene. Dangerous times, folks.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 6:04 pm
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    Well if nobody is working in Washington and Trumpeted is on the road that means he doesn’t want to work as well.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 6:14 pm
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    trumpty-dumpty's got his pants stuck at the knees. Trump’s message is aggrieved victimhood. He did not try to extort the Ukrainian president into helping him politically, he insists. He likened the whistle-blower’s sources to spies. But these two defenses contradict each other. If the allegations are untrue, then he was not spied upon; if he was spied upon, the allegations are not untrue. But he does not worry about logic or consistency. His message is emotional—poor, poor me—and is aimed only at those willing to join his pity party.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 6:34 pm
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    BUNCH OF SISSY A$$ DEMS ……………MSNBC IS TRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • September 30, 2019 at 7:03 pm
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    Looks like the country has finally reached the tipping point. Apparently a rascal for President was tolerable but not a demonstrably unchastened, malevolent one.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 7:25 pm
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    I love how Joe is leaning toward Mika…nice couple, comfortable with each other. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

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  • September 30, 2019 at 7:42 pm
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    stupid is as stupid does why expect anything other from this orange clown…..impeach imprison and keep it moving

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  • September 30, 2019 at 7:53 pm
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    Why is anyone surprised by what Trump says? We are guaranteed that the person who will show up everywhere that Trump shows up is Trump.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 8:50 pm
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    Xi is laughing.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 9:06 pm
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    Brandon, I completely agree, a psychiatric evaluation especially for Donald T.!

    Frank Markus, it is true Donald T. could impeach himself!

    DT. From the beginning has been a disaster … he is not the president, he did not win the popular vote of the American people. The electoral college did not honor the vote's of the American people! Just think back and remember/look at the facts of the vote's. Its simple.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 9:44 pm
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    It’s fascinating to me that people still support this administration.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 10:02 pm
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    More BS

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  • September 30, 2019 at 11:09 pm
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    He will start another war and change the conversation

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  • September 30, 2019 at 11:40 pm
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    The fact that Mitch McConnell removed any doubt about Senate Impeachment process suggests that that Wiggnes moment may have arrived. Republican Jeff Flake says that at least 35 Senators would favor impeachment if the vote were taken in private.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 11:49 pm
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    The Trumpster turns the moral order on its head. It is the Trumpster who is engaging in TREASON! NOT the Whistleblower. Congress must forcefully show the Trumpster and the nation how is in violation of the moral order. That process has begun in Impeachment and with every passing day, as the extent of Trumpster CRIMINALITY, CORRUPTION, TREASON, LUNACY becomes revealed and Impeachment becomes the only alternative.

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  • September 30, 2019 at 11:51 pm
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    Evangelicals are evangelicals. Deplorable.

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  • October 1, 2019 at 12:02 am
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    Have some non impeach fun Google " THE OGLE OFFICE"..See a new slant on the world famous model,guess who.

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  • October 1, 2019 at 12:57 am
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    Moscow mitch will probably go down with the ship period and i sure hope he doesn't vote for impeachment . Then the voters in his state can do what they should have done years ago

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  • October 1, 2019 at 1:42 am
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    LOL…IS THIS WHERE WE KISS AND MAKE UP ???

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  • October 1, 2019 at 2:39 am
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    So he should be dealt with the same way if he guilty of having Ukraine spy on us wouldn't he be committing treason?

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  • October 1, 2019 at 3:46 am
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    I'm thinking that Trump has something more than prison to worry about leaving OUR HOUSE.

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  • October 1, 2019 at 4:27 am
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    Idiocracy 👍 what’s next? Trump colluded with extraterrestrial Force 🤣🤣🤣

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  • October 1, 2019 at 4:28 am
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    More importantly, what is on the transcripts regarding the calls between Putin and the Saudis…!!!

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  • October 1, 2019 at 6:02 am
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    Did someone just find the smoking gun? Or are the bullets still flying from that metaphorical cannon in Trump's hip pocket. America needs Trump gone first and foremost, even let him resign on health grounds as lomg as he's gone and his enablers with him. I think if this destroys the GOP it may not be a bad thing either, it needs a clear out and to find its true path from which to best serve America. Supping with The Devil was never the way to go, we are a demmocracy and at last by a whisker our checks and balances are kicking in. Let's really make America great again and rebuild the US from all sides as Americans who are sick of corruption, lies and partisan bs. Compromise is key. Mitch McConnel shoulders as much of the blame for these disgraceful years under Trump as anyone and he also needs to pay a price. Those kind never do because they've all got so much dirt on each other,

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  • October 1, 2019 at 6:31 am
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    Complete lie. If not, WHO IS the "one person close to the WH and one source familiar with the situation?" No names. No fact check. It is all made up. Trump isn't panicking. He's not a "whinning, I need my safe room and binkey cause those mean people don't like me and hurt my feelings" type of MAN! The main people doing the colluding are the lying media. The bigger the lie, the bigger the payout. The book "1984" is being played out in real time right before our eyes people. If you haven't already, read the book!! Step outside of the trees and REALLY look at the forest. It is on fire!

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  • October 1, 2019 at 7:24 am
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    The UN staff would have been justified to walk out of the room, and leave him talking to himself.

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  • October 1, 2019 at 7:31 am
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    Joe wouldn't stop mentioning hanging to that black guy. Joe stop cutting people off.

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