and welcome back so we're gonna do the 97-98 season today add some stuff to do and some run around to do so when I normally would have done this earlier in the afternoon instead we had other personal matters to attend to you guys know how that works right so with this later better later than never right and let's let's jump into this an era where things are up in the air for some teams but not for Detroit who feel pretty good about themselves after decades decades of mediocrity and falling short 97-98 sees the top ten return as well at the end of that season for the hockey news number one is Dominik Hasek number two Paul Kariya number three Peter Forsberg number four yummy yogurt number five Sergei Fedorov number six Nick Lindstrom number seven Eric Lindros number eight Mike Modano number nine Chris Pronger The Wailers made a mistake giving him up and 10 Keith kachuck and kachuck at this point with the Coyotes we'll get to tkachuk so it's an interesting top ten in that it is a whole new batch of players we are looking at that that next the next generation – is still relatively young but he's kind of a holdover from the the Penguins dynasty but again still pretty young at this point and Hasek being number one is because he's won back-to-back heart trophies now in Boston Pat Burns's coach of the year he knows there's going to be challenges the following season and he tells his players you better be ready to work harder next year it's like he knows that the team could take a step back Sergey samsonov wins the Calder yeah on a team where Joe Thornton is coming along as a young kid he's coming along slowly it's samsonov the charges in and takes that Rookie of the Year award and a lot of people were talking about how samsonov was this huge superstar on the way I was always kind of on the fence with samsonov I thought he was good I didn't know that he was necessarily gonna be one of these greats there's an article in the the yearbook I used for this which says the second Sergey meaning after fedorov and I'm sorry Samsonov other than also being Russian there's no comparison with Sergei Fedorov so to Buffalo yes heart to heart Kaushik wins both two back-to-back he's the first one to went back-to-back heart trophies since wayne gretzky so it is a pretty massive achievement for for Hasek not only that but to win the heart as a goaltender it also means that the team he plays for has challenges with scoring so people understand that without Hasek this team may not even be in the playoffs in fact I'll go ahead and take the me naught out and say without Hasek this team's not in the playoffs they lose in round three against the Capitals when finally they run into a goaltender that can stop more parks than Hasek but it is through no fault of Hasek himself and Hasek starts to voice some frustrations over not winning a Stanley Cup he likes all the trophies he's winning but he'd rather have a Stanley Cup at this stage at Florida crash 24:43 and 15 yeah they're done remember they were back-to-back playoffs and now they're nowhere near the the the team's chemistry is completely blown up they have his contract squabble with John van B's Berg he ends up bolting he goes to Philadelphia after the season's over and the vets and the kids don't mesh what's said about it is that the kids join the team and the veterans I really interested in helping the kids out a whole lot and so there's a lack of cohesion in the locker room and on the ice so with lack of cohesion in the locker room you've got to change coaches they do that as well it is it is the start of the disaster that will be the Florida Panthers for a long time to come for the Montreal Canadiens Andy Moke has a decent-enough season they get to the playoffs but he retires and there's all these talks about how Molson's making budget cuts so the team can can pay its players there's talks about you know money's a little bit iffy notice this is before the salary cap rate so it makes sense the Montreal going on and all if we got money now the salary cap here it's how much does eyehole want eighty million dollar signing bonus done anyhow on new jersey they're first in the east it's the second year in row they're first in the East they're out in the first round this year and I believe was the second on the year before so what do they do with Lula Morello you fire the coach team is playing great the defense is fantastic goaltending is solid so we're gonna try to make things a little more offensive and what's more offensive than getting rid of Jacques Lemaire and bringing in Robbie fat auric yeah so futur ik is in as the coach lemare is out and it is one of those coaching decisions we can look back on decades later and say it's probably not the best decision you can make it's it's it's not Billa Forge that's the worst decision you can make but if you're measuring in terms of how far towards a LaForge in between like a Geordi LaForge and a bill afford doesn't matter um the New York Islanders mediocrities their name they go from 29 wins the season before to 30 this year hey 10 more years of that they're in the playoffs the attendance is is absolutely awful I know it's not spell the tenants I imagine that's not it says attending so if you read that you win the prize at the end of this video um poor attending and no budget there's just no money so again if you're the general manager running this team you're kind of forced to make deals where you're giving up good players for futures and you're Mike Milbury making these decisions that just compounds the problem because Millbury doesn't have a whole lot of patience with some of these prospects as well so it's just it's an overall disaster with the Islanders they do have the Islander logo back on what was the old fisherman jerseys which looks weird and that's not gonna last but for now that's the way it looks the New York Rangers 25 wins yeah 25 wins but if you ask them they'll say they're still aiming to become Stanley Cup contenders once again and they're still spending money John McClane's brought in as a free agent as an example because this team is bound and determined to stuff itself with veterans and get back into the hunt even though it's not gonna happen and from this point on it's embarrassing how much money is thrown around and how little success the team has Gretzky's still skating with the team but Gretzky's numbers have started to really falter he's at this point got so many miles on them and it's just it's just not a great team with the New York Rangers Pittsburgh they're out in round one and then what's worse is well they have a good season to get there and take that first round loss we're on francis walks as a free agent at the end of the year so in two years they've gone from they've gone from having Lemieux and Francis down the middle – not having Lemieux in Francis down the middle it's a huge difference and for Pittsburgh this is really where things start to fall for them because even though they make it to the playoffs that you're in they're out the first round there's some feeling that that they're probably on their way out of the playoffs pretty soon Tampa the bottom falls out for the Lightning they only win 17 games they draft finis Lecavalier at number one and of course he's proclaimed the Michael Jordan of hockey by their owner at the time that got a lot of press and I remember thinking this poor kid and there was a lot of expectation about vinny locally after he's drafted at one iakh demurrer says this is no longer the league's worst team meaning we won't finish them last next year just keep piling on the pressure on the kid because that's a great idea for a fledgling franchise that didn't just have a problem down the middle there were problems on tap on every area that roster that you're 17 wins you get 17 wins by having problems everywhere Toronto they continued under a chief so what do they do Potvin is still good he's not fantastic so when they know that that Curtis Joseph can't sign in Edmonton because he wants more money than Edmonton could spend on them because Evan sends a budget team as well Kujo ends up going to Toronto Potvin is on his way out and it's it's a tough call but it's the right call and and kudos to the Toronto Maple Leafs for going you know what we're gonna take that big fish for our net and thanks Potvin you've had a fantastic run but we're gonna go with Cujo I respect that 100% the Capitals they make a run to the finals and Cole's egg is fantastic so all of Cole's a Rises Bill Radford doesn't end up being the starter that year as was expected Cole's eggs the guy Bhandar gets 52 goals in the playoffs they even get some good totals on a brine bellows who would barely play during the season but in the playoffs he played very very well but there's a belief that the Capitol's probably overachieved in reaching the Stanley Cup Finals for the first time probably won't get back there again and and not only that but it's kind of weird because this is the Capitals team that a decade before looks like a team on paper that should be contending for a cup and isn't and now we've got one that shouldn't be that is that's just the wonders of the NHL and I'm Paul Kariya only plays 22 games believe you have 31 points but he only plays 22 games so I'm kind of surprised to see Kariya listed as the number two hockey player in the National Hockey League by the Hockey news that year because Korea's been out with concussions and they're saying you know if he's healthy in the fall this is this is really where things start to get ugly for Korea PR posh a lasted one year as head coach the Ducks very very poor showing and so pausing he's out the door and that's a year after Ron Wilson was fired even Orwell left the team even though Wilson coached the team to their best record that they'd had out of expansion so it's a weird state of flux that the Anaheim Ducks find themselves in but the flames the flames are out in the owners are cheap the owners would love to keep all these players and sign all these big guys but they're saying you know what we got a hold off on spending money because we don't know how much is there I can well I can debate and I have that the salary cap kind of lies at times and there are teams that take advantage of it on both sides teams to take advantage to get to the Florentines to take advantage that are actually spending way above the cap but the actual cap head comes in underneath the cap number this this is a time that shows you just how bad it would be right now right now if we were in a league where there was no salary cap we would have owners who were tightening their first strings and maybe spending 2530 million on their team while somebody else is spending over a hundred million and telling the fans hey the money's not there not that we can do the money's not there under a hard cap we look a lot at teams that are at the top of the cap and how oh you know they're being penalized for having a good team there are teams at the bottom that must have good players on the roster if they're going to reach the cap fluor so what was going on at this point in time where players are just being dumped to save money teams don't really do that anymore you really can't afford it you can't afford the public perception and you have to reach the cap floor so there's no point in moving on from good players and then having to overpay other players in order to reach the floor it's just bad financial work on that part Chicago there's desperation here there's no chemistry on this team the locker room is just in complete disarray so they bring in dougie Gilmore as an unrestricted free agent which looks on the surface like it's going to be a good move we'll get into tomorrow on how the Hawks are just continually trying to rearrange the deck chairs of the Titanic much like the Rangers are doing at this stage Colorado they had a three to one series lead against Edmonton and they blew it they're out which really enraged his abs fans at the time because there's a lack of effort and heart this team's not playing together there's too many individualistic performances going on Colorado's going to get it together but this is 98 so not yet blowing that 3 2-1 lead against Evanston is humiliating it's huge for the Oilers but the Oilers are going to be in trouble and we're gonna get to that Dallas 49 wins for the the Dallas Stars and they spent big in that offseason bringing in Brett Hull they they see themselves as the Stanley Cup contenders now and they want that Stanley Cup so they bring in Brett Hull at the time they bring in Hull the question is asked well why it's all gonna get you a cup when he couldn't get one for st. Louis question that was asked at the time they're gonna answer that in the next video Detroit vlad inspires constantine AUB's injury and subsequent retirement it really inspires this team really brings them together and Scotty Bowman this is ring number eight for Scotty Bowman of nine than he has us as a coach Bowman's inspired as a coach of the Red Wings unlike Pittsburgh it felt like he was there he was there to replace badger Bob and he enjoyed it but into trade it just looks like he's he's home much like he was with Montreal in the 70s he just looks right at home that bench and Detroit absolutely happy to have them there back-to-back Stanley Cups and all of that wonderful stuff the Oilers they lose Kujo they can't afford them and their goaltending looks like an absolute mess after they lose Kujo they don't have anybody of that stature to replace them so despite them having another upset in the first round getting to the second round the excitement that generates there is a feeling that the Oilers in reality cannot build a winner because they can't afford to do it they can never afford to build a winner again and it's it's this feeling that kind of guts fans in Canada this was in Vancouver – not as much not nearly as much but it was still there the idea of this guy wants X amount of money well we can't pay him that we're gonna have to move them la there in the playoffs and they improve by 10 wins that year so big turnaround for the Kings really important turnaround for the Kings Rob Blake ends up winning the Norris Trophy that year and there's a new building on the way so there's a belief that the Kings are finally going to do things right there's a belief that the Kings are going in the right direction even though Gretzky is gone that that dream all of that wonderful stuff is gone but hey he left behind a nice color scheme in those nice black jerseys right and Nashville joins the league they're the 27th team the 6th to join since 1991 it's a lot of teams and it's it is absolutely having an effect on the product on the ice this is a time when we really didn't need more expansion there was already thin enough rosters as it was and you add Nashville and it just made it worse Mike Dunn was brought in to be their starter they draft David leg wand at number two and they bring in Barry trotters coach and trots will get the most out of a very poor Nashville team that any coach would for a long time berry trots is the reason that this team contended for the playoffs as many years as they did and really in all honesty Nashville's shown over the years the welders been talked off the icing on the might get moved back you know in 2007 and there was talk of their attendance and all this the Fran chose itself has been remarkably stable whether it spoil as GM or trots who then gives way to Laviolette as coach GM and coach are stable the team is relatively stable you don't see them go through big panics where everybody gets traded it is a really nice environment and we don't really see that yet all we see is an expansion team in Nashville and go the city that place country music all the time grand ole opry all right so Phoenix there are 500 team and they're out in the first round yeah you can take the air the Coyotes out of Phoenix or out of Winnipeg but you can't take the jets out of the franchise this is this is a team that's that's spinning its wheels they lose 473 Man games to injury which is a ton and Keith kachuck and the team are at odds over salary so tkachuk wants to get paid Ronix getting paid but Ronix numbers have started to take a drop and the team doesn't really want to give Tkachuk as much as he wants to make so it's it's again it's that small market going we can't afford and pushing back on that player who wants to get paid fair market value st. Louis they have 98 points very good season and they they make a run into the second round that year but Brett Hall bolts four tons of money with Dallas and Grant Fuhr posts the best goals against average of his career but it's undercut by his safe percentage which is I believe 898 during the regular season and then in the playoffs he struggles as well so Grant Fuhr faces fewer shots but is he a better goaltender not yet he will be but not yet at the no no he's already had that great season and he's already had that 76 game season so or 78 game season so yeah fear the numbers have suffered and the Blues are gonna have to figure that out this is where it really hurts that Cujo was kind of run out of town San Jose then we returned to the playoffs this is despite a 918 and to start to the season from December 4th to the end of the year they go 25 20 and 8 and mike vernon plays six see two games for the Sharks yeah Vernon plays a ton and he really needs to get that that time cutback San Jose good team not great team they're still gonna get that put together and as far as goal tenders go we know that a few years down the road from this San Jose will not have a problem in that in fact I'll have too many goal tenders and they'll start spreading them around the rest of the league but right now Mike Vernon is playing too much and it shows during the season and it shows in the playoffs as well and finally has the annual list of this team last it was Vancouver 25 wins so here's where we go 92 they're division champions 93 the division champions with 101 points 94 they go to the Stanley Cup final mediocre regular season 95 mediocre regular season out in the second round 96 mediocre regular season out the first round 97 playoffs 98 25 wins yeah it's just it's this nosedive that the connects went on and it was just depressing then as it is now to talk about it it was horrendous Garth snow is brought in to become the goaltender because Kurt McLean's goaltending just just there was just this nosedive that took place and then what made it worse is you know as Brian Burke comes in to take over and Burke's quoted as saying they don't hire they don't change GM's of teams that are going in the right direction something along those lines you don't get a job because the team's doing really well kind of thing right Burke takes over just a mess and Mike Keenan is here now Keenan's here now he's gonna and he was doing some GME kind of stuff huh yeah herbal made the other goalies look bad so you got to get rid of Archer survey one of my favorite cannot goalies ever in the last Lou may left is a UFA they got nothing for year key Lou made they they kind of knew all year they weren't any good there was talk of Lou May as the UFA and how they'd lost court no land Ronning for nothing and you don't want to lose this guy for nothing and then they did Trevor Linden's traded out to the New York Islanders McCabe and Bertuzzi come back honestly it's a trade Vancouver wins but just the fact the face of the franchise linden walks out to go to the islanders and you've got Messier now as captain so Messier comes in I'll take that number 11 out of the rafters done it was never officially retired the number 11 for Vancouver but when he wore it it rubbed some people the wrong way and then he just kind of takes over the team they're kinda he's kind of like alright I'm the big guy I've won the Stanley Cup I've won the Stanley Cup a lot I'm gonna run the show and Linden kind of just hands it to him and even now in hindsight Messier says the biggest mistake he made in Vancouver I'm ganna paraphrasing was taking over the captaincy and stepping in and that he should have you know been a little more diplomatic in the way things were done that locker room was a mess that locker room you could tell there were some guy they there was a division between Messier and what he wanted to bring the team and the guys who were still there who really weren't buying what he was selling it was it was a bad year and firm se himself his stats are okay but his defensive stats start taking nosedive because his like speed is gone he has put on a ton of miles and so there was an expectation of Messi being something he wasn't in Vancouver and was never going to be and it's on us as fans at the time for not recognizing it and 18 million dollars will kind of cloud some judgments here and there but it's gonna get worse for the Canucks when he ends up getting bought out but we're not there yet so there you go 97 98 season the NHL a lot of turmoil a lot of stuff going on let me know your thoughts in the comment section below as always don't forget to hit like and subscribe if your browser may 3 just happen upon this video and a thank you guys so much for watching for all your support and I'll talk to you again soon

The Canucks Mess and Others 97-98 Topics

43 thoughts on “The Canucks Mess and Others 97-98 Topics

  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    In any given year I could never rank forsberg ahead of fedorov. Not with a straight face anyway

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    Hasek #1 in the league. Has any other goalie ever been given that THN consensus distinction?

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    Joe Thornton and Vincent Lecavailer would go on to become franchise leaders for the San Jose Sharks and Tampa Bay Lightning, respectively.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    Please do a career video on Irbe. He was a great goalie in San Jose, Vancouver and Carolina. It would be a great watch.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    I am do agree about the quality of play around this time started to suffer not to mention 3 more teams are set to join before 2001. I don't think I would say this year but in the near future the game was so boring to watch. If you needed the cure for insomnia but a devils game on from this era.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    Top 10: Brodeur should have been in that without a doubt. But they seem to only want 1 goalie.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    Did Shannon just sneak a Star Trek reference on there?? Jordie Laforge 🤣🤣🤣👏

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    I was living in Nashville at this point, turned 3 during this season. I remember the Predators becoming a team, but I also remember thanks to my extended family living in the Victoria area, that this was when I first became a Canucks fan.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    In 1998 Halloween and Grease would celebrate their 20th Anniversaries.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    I remember Messier not making the Olympic team. That was big news. You could say it was the equivalent of Paul Gascoigne not making the England team for France '98.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    Who could forget the All-Star game in Vancouver that year. It was the first time that they did the North America vs. The World format. I liked that format. I remember Bryan Adams singing the Canadian National Anthem at the game, and messing up some of the words.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    This was the first season of NHL participation in the Winter Olympics. Nagano '98.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    Barry Trotz would go on to win two Jack Adams Trophies, in the future.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    My favorite moment in the CBC documentary about this season is Mike Milbury complaining to agents about how broke his team is

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    What an absolute DISASTER the late 90's were, a combination of the effects of the instigator rule finally being felt (Less emotion is what gave rise to "Coaching systems" hockey) the trap system it made possible, insane economic imparity and NO LEADERSHIP from the league (Bettman fiddles as Rome burns) driving the NHL into the toilet. In 1994 after the best final in history, Sports Illustrated declared on its cover: NHL = HOT, NBA = NOT. They signed a lucrative TV deal with FOX and promptly provided THE WOST on-ice product in history for North America to watch…It was bloody AWFUL…You would tune into a broadcast hear about nothing but MONEY, and the game would be unwatchable.I hear people complain about the cap nowadays (Leafs fans pissed off Dubas can't continue his spoiled rich kid spending) they have NO IDEA what they are talking about…The NHL should have a "Trevor Linden" trophy, awarded to the player who shows himself to be the least stupid and greedy, and displays the ability to think beyond his next paycheck. (In case you don't know, and a lot of people don't, Trevor Linden was the guy who was the voice of reason at the NHLPA and subsequently SAVED the NHL, you can't overstate the importance of what Linden did) The NHL without a hard cap = Dead league

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    R.I.P Wayne Maki. The real #11.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    Betcha can't eat just one.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    Skipping the flyers for the 2nd time this week.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    Bad time for the Pens.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    It would be great if in NHL games you could just load up any era and play.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    I've said it elsewhere, but Kolzig deserved the Conn Smythe that year, not Yzerman. Without Kolzig, the Caps are out in the first round. The Red Wings still had a strong team without Yzerman.

    Down the stretch, the Caps signed Bellows and traded for Tikkanen and also for Jeff Brown. This was probably the best group of stretch drive deals in Caps history. Tik got criticized for the empty net he missed in game 2. I don't blame him for losing that game as they were up something like 2 goals when he missed it, but the Wings regrouped and won. I thought Tik helped them down the stretch in the regular season and make the playoffs.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    When Linden left-i was out on the direction Vancouver was going…

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    Imagine how hockey history would've been different had the Wings let go of Scotty Bowman & hired Mike Keenan to take over as coach/GM!! Keenan was rumored to be offered the job while the Rangers were in the middle of their Cup run in 1994, it also complicated matters because he was still under contract to the the Rangers. Had that happen the Wings would still be looking for their 1st Cup since 1955.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    The dark age for Canucks.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    Messier, Mike Keenan combo was terrible for the Canucks. They were the enemy in 94.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    I felt like a kid when the Capitals and the Buffalo Sabers led by Hasek faced off in the playoffs. It was one of those moments that made me overjoyed.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    Samsanov he was drafted out of the IHL, a league on the same tier as the AHL. The IHL tryed to go about it as there own league with no team's as farm team's for the NHL, forgot the whole story but maybe Shannon can do a video what happened to that league….

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    Every time the Canucks signed a big ufa they always underperformed. Messier, Erickson and sudin was never as good as he once was for 10 mil.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    Not a Canucks fan but 25 wins that season is pathetic.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    That thumbnail is going to trigger every Canucks fan. Can I get a "Fuck Messier" from my Canuck bros.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    THG, is a video on the career of Bill Ranford a possibility?

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    More parody now, the worst team last year had 29 wins

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    It was absolute cheap shot that cost Kariya this year. Still get mad thinking about it.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    Vancouver fan. Watching bire in this era was amazing. Its not easy being loyal as a hard core canucks fan.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    Love this series

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    Moog was so good for Montreal that year. We should of beat Buffalo but Hasek! Ughhhhh!

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    What prize do I win if I found the Type-O? "ISLANDERS 29 (HITS?) TO 30." Did I not hear something or was that Wins instead of Hits?

    Do I win an Autographed Picture of "The Cats"?

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    I was happy the Capitals made the Cup Final in 1998. Now really happy that they won the Cup in 2018.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    This was one of my favorite seasons of the 90s, even though I'm a fan of offense and not soccer scores. I loved how Palffy, Bure, and Selanne all scored for weak teams. My favorite line from the 98-99 Hockey Scouting Guide was the opening of Bure's profile following that 51-goal, 90-point performance: "Get me out of here!" Ouch.

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    What happened to Carolina?

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  • July 31, 2019 at 12:24 am
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    This red wings team was unstoppable at the time man this is why I love this series because we can go back and relive the retro hockey goodness

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