Skateboarding Doc Closed Captions Damn it! Get out of here! Sorry. Dang. I’m so fucking tired of you guys coming around
here! Okay! And tell all your friends! Okay! Don’t fucking yell! Don’t hit! Don’t
touch me! Don’t touch me! Hey! You get out of here or I’ll get that board
from you and you’ll never gonna see it again! Oh shit dude… You are trespassing, you have no business
here and you never come to place you don’t have business! (laughing) There are parks for you to go to and…. Sorry sir. Sorry sir. I’m so tired of you guys it just makes me
sick! So where do we start? Skateboarders are an interesting demographic
where generally at least at the start, we’re pretty young and we’re generally not of a
voting age. We’re not officially represented, we don’t have any natural allies in government. I just remember skating with a bunch of friends
and one of my friends asked me like, “How long are you gonna skate?” and I’m like, “What
do you mean how long am I gonna skate?” From the minute I started skateboarding, it
was like “oh this is definitely something that I’m going to be doing…forever”. It’s not something you ever quit, you know?
It’s just, I mean, maybe it wanes a little and as you get older there’s not as much time
as when you were a kid, but I don’t think you ever quit, you know? And over the years as my children have grown
up and have skated, I’d swipe their boards and tried it a few times myself and I still
do enjoy that. How do people usually treat you when they
find out that you’re an engineer and graduated from college? They don’t believe it, they wonder what the
hell I’m still doing on a skateboard. People don’t expect me to be on a skateboard when
I’m twenty four. They think it’s a kid thing and no one expects someone that has a brain
to do it. I think it’s because people don’t understand
what skateboarding is, I think people see…a lot of people view skateboarding as a very
popular form of crime. Which is not true. When you’re that young and everyone calls
you a skater and stuff, whether you regard yourself as a skateboarder or not. The grown
ups think of you as the rebellious kid who, you know, doesn’t have respect for authority,
a lot of the times it is that way and a lot of the times it turns out worse because they
all treat you like that, so you start acting like that You know, we’re skating around and pedestrians
and people form opinions about what we do and who we are and we don’t have any way of
convincing them otherwise. Judgemental people that just look at you with
a skateboard in your hand and they’re just like, “yeah, troublemaker.” None of us just troublemakers, you know? But
for the most part, here people just come at you with like a dickhead approach, just right
off the bat without trying anything nice in the first place. I don’t know if it’s just because they think
that maybe now because they’re adults they can talk back a little more, you know or if
it’s just… They treat us like little kids, you know?
Like we’re not. I’m an adult. You know what I’m saying? I may not be thirty years old,
you know, I may be only twenty but I’m an adult. I act like an adult. I’m rational.
I’m logical. I do everything adults do, so why can’t this person come at me like a rational
adult and talk things out with me. I’m willing to talk, you know? I like talking. Occasionally, we’ll get people that’ll be
a little belligerent with us, you know, they’re telling us that skateboarding is not a crime. Skateboarding is not a crime. However, our
school district has made a district policy that skateboards and roller blades are not
allowed on our school campus so if we see them we are supposed to take them away. Well, they wanna skate, I mean, that’s the
bottom line. They find a place that they think is good. It’s been featured in a number of
skate magazines. They wanna go to a place that they see other kids skate. But as far
as their attitude, you know, it’s fine. Uh…they don’t particularly like to be chased off but
they’d rather be chased off than be arrested for trespassing, so most of them are pretty
good. I feel happy. I feel really good. It’s hard to explain it to somebody. You can’t
explain happiness to somebody, you can’t explain sadness. You just know that it’s a feeling
that’s there. I look at it, like skateboarding saved my
life because all of my friends kind of drifted off into things like, you know, drinking,
partying, drugs, all that stuff. And when they would start going to the parties, all
I wanted to do is go ride my skateboard, you know? I wouldn’t even try to explain it. It’s kind of indefinable, cause skateboarding
is a sport, is one thing, it’s just basically rolling around on a piece of wood with four
wheels but for so many people it’s a complete lifestyle, it’s the way they live their life.
It’s changed everything about their life. It’s hard to imagine my life without skateboarding.
It’s one of those things where you’ve gone so far down the road that it’s difficult to
imagine where you’d be if you hadn’t gone that direction. Skateboarding is one of the
most rewarding things in my life without a doubt…and it’s hard to say why, um, it’s
just a good…it’s a good activity. It’s a piece of wood with some wheels on it
and you can do anything you want with it. I think it’s like a pretty decent pastime,
it gives kids something to do it’s actually I think uh, quite admirable. I think people just in general need to start
seeing skateboarding as a more positive thing. My version of skateboarding happens in the
streets, you know, it happens down the city street, it happens on the school playground…. Skateboarding has sure changed, no doubt about
it. Because it just used to be you kept all four wheels on the ground and that was it
and maybe you went off and up curbs, if you were good you learned to go up curbs. But
nobody had the idea of flying through the air and doing some of the grinding and some
of the activities that are a part of skateboarding now. So that’s changed quite dramatically
and of course because that’s changed that’s kind of brought school furniture and things
like that into the picture. They do do damage, they damage the tile you
know it’s just, in the act of what they’re doing…I don’t think they intentionally do
stuff…the majority… Well unfortunately, there’s a few that do. That’s just what I was going to say because
there’s always the exception, there’s the few that…like we had potted plants up here
that they ruined by inappropriate behavior and I don’t even know if I want to say it
on tape but they urinate in it. And we’ve had the police come down there because
they just were riding the sides, breaking the concrete. We’ve had to take a little bit of action to
try and get that stopped and we’ve put the knobs on the rails so that that would prevent
the skateboards from going down and uh, also moved the rails out far enough so it would
be in front of the planting area so they wouldn’t continue to take the layers off of the planting
area as well as off of the steps. We’d actually had these put on first and they
pry these off so we had to upgrade to these other ones, but it’s the rails that they really
like and we also had guards on the rails and they took them off. We’ve had calls almost daily now from Phoenix
Plaza. Phoenix Plaza. The problems that have happened are we’ve
had windows broken with skateboards you know when they’re flipping tricks there’s a little
square out here in the front and customers trying to get through and get run over as
they’re riding around. That creates a problem. Then the nicer ones will actually go in the
back where the loading docks are. On the back of each business there’s a stoop and a loading
dock but then they wax them all up and of course when they’re doing their grinds and
flips and stuff it chips up the concrete back there which…that’s an expense. We’ve got
to replace windows, we’ve got intimidated customers that costs us money when they don’t
come in, we’ve got to repair concrete and we’ve got to worry what’s going on behind
us…you know? It’s a problem. They like to do tricks on the outside and
sometimes on the inside of your building in areas that damage the building or damage the
benches. You know it didn’t matter if a mother wanted
to get in or whatever…these kids were there, they were in charge and that was their private
ground and we had to get the police over there. A lot of people think that the police think
that skateboarding shouldn’t be allowed and that it’s a problem and we don’t at all feel
that way. We feel that kids should have the right to enjoy themselves as best they can.
Part of the problems that have arisen have been some vandalism that’s been done as a
result of skateboarding. Some kids don’t respect other people’s property by waxing up curbs
and benches and brickwork and that sort of thing. Which causes either damage to the brickwork
or just unsightly marks because it turns black after a while. And what happens is kids come on the campus,
who really don’t respect the campus cause they don’t go here…they’re older. I don’t
even think they’re from this area. And they vandalize the campus while they’re here or
they intentionally shoot their skateboard into a window or a wall and just create damage
which is a tremendous cost to us and it’s simply vandalism. When it is a local problem, people come step
forward and they help you to catch these guys and stop them from doing it and that hasn’t
worked here I think because they’re not from our neighborhood here. How much damage has been caused in the time
that you’ve been here? Gosh, I would say maybe twenty five hundred
dollars worth of damage. I would probably say about five hundred thousand
dollars worth of damage throughout the years. We came to about three thousand dollars just
over the spring vacation. That was two weekends and in a year where we’re…we’ve already
been cut, we know our budget is going to be cut next year, five hundred bucks per table
is a lot of money down the drain. It’s an ongoing situation. I’m not here on some sort of crusade against
skateboarding I’m just here to let the school go on about it’s business educating kids in
the community… Detrimental, it’s detrimental only to the
fact that instead of spending it on the kids you know?
Whether it’s supplementary materials, instructional materials or whether it’s field trips, enrichment
you know, whatever, that’s just money that’s not spent on them but I think even more than
that for our students and our faculty and our staff it’s just kind of demoralizing to
come to work Monday morning wondering what’s been destroyed, what’s been messed up. Hey Dr. Phil! Welcome to Philadelphia, the
city of Brotherly Love! People coming through with their kids and
they wanna enjoy this beautiful lovely city of Philadelphia. The City of Brotherly Love,
not skateboarders love. I won’t have them here. I’m gonna write them tickets and I’m
gonna call the authorities on them if I have to, to keep them out of here, to keep the
pedestrians safety as well as theirs. I’m making a documentary about skateboarding… Well you can’t make it here cause there’s
no skating here. You see those signs around? No, I’m not skating, I’m just filming. Who’s is this there? Sitting on your bag? This is my transportation around town. Your transportation around town? Yeah, I swear. I came from Utah to make a
documentary about skateboarding and like how Love Park is… Come here for a second. Okay. Film that. Put a film on that too, for your
documentary. You see, it forfeits. Now if I come back here and you’re skating, you forfeit
your skateboard. Yeah. I won’t skate here. That’s what I’m
trying to say, like I’m just making a documentary about skateboarding and how people are skateboarding
at Love Park and how it’s causing such a problem in the city. See, how’d you know about Love Park? How do I know about Love Park? Everyone knows
about Love Park. Cause it’s on the internet right? Oh yeah, that too. I researched a lot of newspaper
articles about Love Park and like everything that was going on, so… How old are you? I’m twenty three. You’re still skateboarding? Aren’t you ready
to give skateboarding up? Why would…I don’t think I’d be ready to
give skateboarding up…it’s too fun. You don’t work? Of course I work. Part of the reason people have misconceptions
about what skateboarders are like is that the way they’re exposed to it is through Mountain
Dew commercials. And every little thing has a skateboarder
now, like you see a deodorant stick, there’s like a little skateboarder on there. You don’t have to be a skateboarder to skate
anymore and that’s what’s cool. You know there’s more kids riding skateboards
right now than playing baseball? And that’s pretty heavy. I just hope that the kids don’t
buy into the image that’s being peddled to them now, you know? Being like Jackass, or
like, harshing on people. That’s not what skateboarding is all about, you know? It’s not about putting up a bad image, it’s
not about you know, saying “I’m this way because I skateboard.” It’s everybody’s individuality,
their personality. And the individual can take it in his or her
own direction but in the end it’s a mass of individuals making this culture. There’s so much more than what the public
sees, you know? They see what they see on TV. Most people I think are generally very appreciative.
Skateboarding’s a pretty beautiful thing and if you’ve never seen someone roll up to something
and ollie over it and keep going, it’s pretty amazing, like it looks magnetic. It’s an amazing
skill to see…like the first time I ever saw someone who was actually good at skateboarding
it blew my mind. It had a very deep affect on me. You know this is evidence for destruction
of University property? This is? Yeah…. Sorry. Do you know that? No, I didn’t know that. This skateboarding, grinding on things, doing
anything but all wheels on the ground is against university policy. You mind shutting it off?
I mean you can have it as proof that I’ve told ya, so next time I give you a class A
misdemeanor citation for doing it… It’s been pretty much part of my life since
I was ten years old and once I started skating I could never stop, so it’s an addiction,
you know what I mean? And it’s fun and you don’t think about anything else except skateboarding,
you know? For goodness sakes, remind yourselves it was
completely originated and carried forward by young people themselves. How do you articulate that though? How do
you articulate that? Man, it’s like this thing, it’s this passion. It’s just a really fun thing you know? Riding
a skateboard, learning tricks, progressing to learn more tricks. Any kind of games there are, are all adult
dominated, they have adult rules and they require the preparation ahead of time of a
special environment according to adult perspectives. I usually talk about it as an art form. I
talk about it as if it’s painting or ballet or poetry, you know? The very idea of adapting yourself to the
environment, is just the absolute reverse of what they’ve thought all the while, which
is, that you set up the environment within adult space rules and then you put them in
there and they must follow the pre ordained rules. For me it’s very soothing at the end of a
tough day. I can go out and skate and I feel really good after I’m done skateboarding.
You can skateboard the way that you like to skate, you do your own style, your own tricks,
you’re not out to satisfy anyone else, so to me, it’s a way to be by myself, do my own
thing but then join in with other friends who are all doing their own thing. I’m watching
them do certain tricks and the way they do it and I appreciate them and how their style
is and how they do their tricks and I try and learn from them…but we all have our
individual styles and we all do it differently and that’s what I like about skating. When I started, my parent’s were like divorcing
or whatever and the only way to get away is like, “Geez, I’m gonna go skate.” I didn’t
wanna sit at home cause they’d be home arguing all the time, you know? You
get away from it. I started skateboarding man and it was like
this blessing and then to go out two days after Christmas
after getting my first skateboard and get beat up by a cop
for no reason. You know what I mean? It wasn’t the actual like physical abuse it
wasn’t that he was physical with me that was scary or threatening to me. It was how angry he was. You know? He was
like, foaming at the mouth angry, like, eyes so intense and his face beet red. And he’s
screaming at me, he’s not hitting me, but he’s holding me so tightly so hard you know
in such a threatening manner. It scared me really bad. So he throws me around pretty good. Screaming
at me and my friends are kind of close and he makes them…”Leave! Leave!” and he makes
them you know, they run further away but they’re still kind of lurking, like “Leave him alone”.
They’re really scared and upset, they don’t understand what’s happening. And he opens up the back of his car and he
throws me on the back seat and I’m like “Am I under arrest? What’s happening?” I don’t
even understand. And he takes out a little note pad, “What’s your name?” Takes my name. “Where do you live? What’s your phone number?” So I give him all this information like “Okay…” He’s like “Alright, get out of here!” What happened and Why? I don’t understand,
you know? And I remember I just turned around, I looked
at him, I picked my skateboard up and I started screaming. And he’s looking at me like, “Whoa, what’s
the matter with this kid,” you know? I took my skateboard and I started smashing
myself in the head with it, I guess it was like, the only way I could express to him,
like, how fucked up I felt. Like, “You fucked me up man? Why’d you do
that? Why’d you do that to me? How dare you fucking do that to me?!?” Just bawling tears, just so fucking angry.
I get home and my parents are like “What the hell happened to you?” And I tell them what
happened. And my mom freaks out and she calls the police
department, calls a lawyer and all this crap, lawyer basically….in the end the lawyer
tells us, you know, “There’s really nothing you’re gonna be able to do, accept it for
what it was….tell your kid not to skateboard,” you know? Tell him not to go out and cause any more
trouble. So my mom and I go down to the police department
a couple days later and we meet this officer and he walks up, takes his hat off. “Ma’am, you know I’m very sorry about what
happened, I was just very upset that these kids were out on the streets this time of
night. Anything could happen, and I asked them to
leave and they didn’t leave in a proper manner, they were being disrespectful to me and I
just thought that this was a moment where I had to teach these kids a lesson and make
them understand that they have to respect authority and that they have no business being
on the streets doing this at any hour.” And my mom’s like “Okay, that’s okay” And he turns to me, “Son,” gets down on one
knee, you know? “very sorry about this, you know? I hope you accept my apology” Okay whatever man, shake his hand…so stupid. Couple years later, I’m skating at another
shopping center….actually, I was living in California. I was living in Huntington
Beach at the time. I was visiting my folks in Jersey. I was sponsored, pro, the whole
deal. And I’m back, I’m just skating by myself late
at night at the shopping center and this cop car rolls up and just stops and looks at me. And I’m just waiting for the cop to roll the
window down and tell me to leave so I’m just standing there and he never does anything
so I walk the ten feet from where I am to where he is and I just look in the window
and he rolls the window down and he goes, “Yeah?” I go, “Do I have to leave?” And he goes, “Nah, it’s fine, just stay away
from the storefront. We don’t want any broken windows or anything.” “Okay. Sounds fair.” Cop rolls on, I can still see his tail lights
in the distance when another cop car pulls in, this cop rolls the window down immediately,
“Get the fuck out of here!” I go, “Excuse me?” I go, “That officer right there, you can still
see his tail lights told me it was okay if I skated here just as long as I stayed away
from the storefronts.” “I’m telling you something fucking different.
Get the fuck out of here!” And I go, “Okay” and I look at him and he
looks at me and goes “I know you?” And I go, “Yeah man, you know me.” And he goes, “You’re that little punk ass
bitch had to fucking come crying with your mommy down to the police department cause
I slapped your ass around.” And I was like, “Yeah, that’e me, man.” Door opens, him and his partner get out, walk
around, get in front of me. “How old are you now man?” “Seventeen” “Seventeen, big man now huh? Big man! I tell
you what punk! You come and see me when you’re eighteen, I’ll kick your fucking ass again!” I go, “okay man, that’s cool” you know? Just
walk off, get in my car and drive off, you know? It’s like, “Holy shit! Did that fucking happen?”
You know what I mean? Like…that… Yeah, there’s plenty of stories about cops
being bad, hey, there’s a reason why they’re still acting bad. Their higher ups are telling
them that they’re allowed to. Hey I don’t really have any compassion for
anybody who’s ruining city property. This park is a major area where you have homeless
people sleeping, like this guy over here. We got vacants over here, we got skateboarders,
we got crackheads and now, skateboarders, crackheads, and homeless people all in one
area. We don’t feel that we should be exclusively
discriminated against when there’s other problems in the park. And homelessness is a problem. If there’s homeless and crackheads and skateboarders,
why do they crack down on the skateboarders instead of the crackheads? Well, the crackheads are really harmless.
As you see right now I could wake this guy up but I’m not, he’s not bothering anybody,
he’s sleeping. He’s probably tired and he’s probably homeless, has no where to go so he
don’t have a choice. Skateboarders have a choice to go wherever they want to skate.
But not here. If cops are going through Love (Park) and
saying, “Bums don’t cause problems, skateboarders do, then that’s where the higher ups are coming
from. We have the Philadelphia Police Department
and we have the Fairmount Park Rangers and we also have Scotland Yard Security making
sure that these skateboarders don’t get away with what they’ve been doing to this city!
This is fine city! Love (Park) was such a crack hole. It was
such a bad spot. Skateboarding felt like it was allowed there because it was so not anything
other than blackening ledges. It’s a symbol. It’s a symbol of love and peace.
Not for people to come out and ruin this fine park and that’s what they’ve been doing. Now
I can show you the scrapings and the… See that sign back there? What? See that sign? See that sign on the wall?
No skateboards! Oh the sign on the wall… Yeah that’s what I said, yeah. Oh….sorry about that. (laughter) What did he say? He’s all, “See that sign? See that sign?” I’m like, “What?” He’s all, “See that sign on the wall?” And I’m like, “Oh the sign on the wall.” He’s all, “Yeah, that’s what I said” It’s not going away. And it drives people
insane. Yeah. Anyone who wants you to quit doing something
and you don’t do it, essentially they flip out. And so it does, it leads to what your
question is, it leads to physical violence. It leads you to, you know, people trying to
mentally scare you into things. They do, they throw you into the back of a
cop car and tell you you’re going to jail for skateboarding. And you kinda sit back
there and it doesn’t make any sense and you are kind of scared but you’re not gonna quit
skating because you got thrown into the back of a cop car. It’s ridiculous. So you know,
people are insane. And the cops are so frustrated that they have
to come and kick skateboarders out because there’s so much more that they could be doing.
You know? They know it. The cops know it and that’s why they get so mad. You know? There’s times where there’s cops that are
just full power trippers… So yeah, there’s plenty of stories, I mean,
there’s footage, there’s everything. But they don’t understand skateboarding so they don’t
even see it as you’re skating there. You’re just there vandalizing. Yeah, you may as well be walking up to their
property with a sledge hammer and just smashing shit. You know? That’s their perception. I try to explain to them what they actually
are doing and of course, if I mention the chipped concrete or the wax, they say, “Well
that wasn’t us.” Course it’s never anybody, it’s like my five
little kids, “No, I didn’t do it, it was somebody else.” So nobody does anything and yet somehow it
still happens. I admit it, you know? I just pretend like
I didn’t do that to that spot. You don’t really go home and feel guilty do you? After skating
somewhere? No. I never felt guilty about skating. But honestly,
what if you went to a place and just colored the ledge black. You’d feel like crap, you
know what I mean? Most of what I’ve heard, it’s primarily authorities
overreacting. Yeah. The worst cases have been a couple of kids
who decided to just, chest up to me and swear in my face and so on, which….if I didn’t
do what I do for a living, I could probably get real upset. Skaters will get in people’s face and kind
of just antagonize them, you know? It’s your mentality, too, you’re a teenager.
You’re an asshole. I mean, you really are when you have that mentality. What the fuck are you doing getting in my
way?! You could have made me eat crap! See that sign on the wall over there? See
that sign on the wall? No skateboarding. So you don’t like it? You keep on doing it and
I’ll arrest you both right here. You’re gonna wreck me? I’m an off duty police officer right now. Okay, you could have asked me, asked me, not
him. I’m the one that’s skateboarding. Wait a minute. He told you what… No, no, I’m the one that’s skateboarding,
ask me, I’ll stop. He told you what happened out there. No, he was just laughing. Ask me, I’ll stop. Okay, no skateboards, it’s right there on
the wall. No, no, ask me. Ask me and I’ll stop. Ask
me right now. Say, “Please don’t skateboard and I’ll say ‘No problem.'” Hey, see the sign, what does it say? It says, no skateboarding allowed any time. Okay. So, what does that mean? Anytime. So you do what you wanna do… Okay, sorry officer! Why don’t you just show
me your badge then tough guy? You’re lucky I don’t have it on me. Hey boy,
how you doing? Hi! You fucking asshole! Awww. He just called me a bad word. Hey, you know what? Have a nice day. Have
a nice day, since you’re in such a good mood. There’s some that, and they’re the minority,
they’re not the majority that have been belligerent and disrespectful when we’ve asked them to
do that. But you’re always gonna get those and they’re the ones that give the rest of
them a bad name. And I think the same with police work, I think
you know, probably ninety nine percent of police officers are great people and then
you might have the one bad encounter with one egotistical police officer and from then
on some kid or some person is gonna hate cops forever. I got handcuffed for just like, I guess the
lady thought I was laughing at her and she put me in handcuffs, called my parents and
everything and ever since I didn’t feel like dealing with it so I just started running.
Running every time I ever saw a cop. I think kids are afraid of police. And they
may not of even had a bad experience with police but, they know skateboarding is illegal
and they know cops scare kids away now instead of actually protecting them. The only time
kids are dealing with police are so that they can get thrown out. One thing I do want to point out, me being
a police officer, I respond only when there is a group of skaters misbehaving and it’s
not to mean to say they’re all bad or they only do bad things, it’s just that’s when
people call on them. If there’s a kid and a security guard and
the security guard is significantly older than the kid then it’s kind of up to the security
guard to kind of handle the situation and set the tone. If he’s gonna get drawn into
a fist fight with the kid, that’s pretty much his fault even if the kid throws the first
punch. It is. There’s like a level where like, if the guy
sees a fight coming, it’s like, just call the cops. You know? Don’t sit there and antagonize
the kid. Essentially, you know, you’re invading their space and doing something and leaving
a mark or whatever. But it would be more helpful if people looked
at what you’re doing as your own personal expression and your own personal athletic
creativity and maybe you just need somewhere else to do it. I don’t expect kids, teenagers, uh, to grow
up quick and mature and understand that they have a responsibility as skateboarders, you
know? So I put it on the adults, I put it on the communities. If we make contact with skateboarders and
they start getting belligerent with us, I can guarantee you that they’re getting belligerent
with parents at home. People say that we hassle people and harass
people, but I think it’s kind of the other way around. Cops harass us just for doing
what we do. Every single interaction that a cop has in
their day with another person is probably really negative. It’s like working in the
complaints department in the department store probably. Well if you’ve been a police man for more
than about five minutes you’re called names all the time, it just goes with the job. So if you’re a cop and all you have is negative
interactions almost all day, almost every day for years and years and years, like that’s
gotta have some kind of psychological affect on you. You know? Please? No. We can’t have you do it at all, what happens
if you get hurt on your last try, then you sue the Delta Center, so forget it. We would never sue. Oh yeah, right. You think we’d sue? Well yeah, probably. Come on give us the benefit of the doubt.
Well, we do it every day and so we’re kind of used to it. You do what every day? Well, we skateboard every day and we get hurt. Well, not on the Delta Center property. That’s true, but, we do skate every day. Go do it on the sidewalk. Go do it on the
highway. On the highway? But I think if I did it on
the highway I’d have more reason to sue than I would the Delta Center. That happens all the time. Good bye. Can we sue you for go telling us to go skate
on the highway? Yeah, whatever. Hey sorry to bother you, thank you. That’s an interesting point, you know? Because
I would never sue the city, for anything. People aren’t responsible for themselves,
ever. I think people’s mother’s sue the city. I don’t think anyone sues the city. I think as long as we get rid of all the mothers
in the world, skateboarding will be okay. But you know what? That was the point at the
first City Hall meeting, was, you know they’re talking about all these hypothetical lawsuits
from people skating, people shooting their boards into people’s ankles. And they were like, well, how many have there
been up until now? And they’re like, “Well none, yet. But I mean
that was only the first seventeen years people have been skating here. It could happen at
any time.” And how many people are trying to sue the
city, right now? Oh a lot? Oh, okay, why don’t you ban everything else, like walking. I know exactly, right? Like everyone that
falls down cause of a crack in the sidewalk and sues the city, but I mean… Dang crack. Crack kills. Ridiculous. Crack kills. The idea that skateboarders will knock down
a little old lady, well I dare anybody to find any little old lady in the United States
of America that was ever knocked down by a skateboarder. Have you seen anybody get hit by a skateboarder
before? Oh, I’ve seen people come close. But like
I said before, well, they usually harm themself before they harm anybody else but I’ve seen them fall off and hurt themselves. Yeah, that happens a lot. It comes with the territory I guess. Who makes lights that low? It comes down, similar to gang members, really.
You know? If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, it’s a duck. And unfortunately,
and it’s not like we as law enforcement try to profile for a catch phrase, you know? You’re right. But a lot of the skaters look and act the
part of a druggie. Or a drug user. And as law enforcement we act on that. We key on that. You know? That’s part of our job, is to identify
those individuals that may be problems and if they look and act like it then, you know,
we’re gonna see if there’s something else there. It’s silly to think that the police are gonna
stop profiling, you know? Whether it’s racial or something else, like a guy with dread locks
and a pot leaf on his shirt is most likely to get the suspicious eye from a cop than
like a guy with a suit and tie and a briefcase that’s full of cocaine, you know what I mean? You never know. There was this one time my friend Charlie
was getting a ticket from a cop and he’s like, “Why are you doing this?” Like, riding bikes
downtown is illegal, too, and a family rode by on their bikes and he’s like, “Why aren’t
you catching them? Why aren’t you catching them for riding their bikes? I’m just on a
skateboard by myself.” Like, same thing you know? And the cop said,
“Well, look at you.” And he said, “What do you mean look at me? Look at you.” Like why
are you picking on me and obviously it was cause of the way he looked. Your kids are running wild in the streets?
You better address it. And don’t think addressing it means sending
the police out to stop them or coming out and yelling at them. You better get back to: Why are they doing this? What does it mean to them? How can I become a part of it and help them
and participate in this in a positive way? Whether I agree with the fact that they’re
grinding up the bench in front of my store or not, you know? They are still kids that
live in my community. This is obviously their passion, this is obviously something they’re
doing with their time. They’re not gonna stop. Why do you think skateboarders go to places
where they are technically not supposed to? Maybe cause there’s too many people at the
skateparks or there’s not a skatepark close enough. I mean a lot of people think it’s a really
great thing and I do too, I really like the parks and it’s fun, but No park is better than a bad skatepark because
then you can still ride the streets. As soon as you have a park, the city has the right
to crack down on the streets. And people don’t understand that a whole aspect
of skateboarding is the creativity of finding places and figuring out what to do with them. Well, one thing is, that they know that they’re
not supposed to be there. Nine times out of ten you pull up and they see you and they
start heading the other way. They’re skating right next to the sign that
says, “No skateboarding allowed”. Yeah, so they know that they’re not supposed
to be doing that. And they think, “These people must really
have no respect for authority, or no respect for the law.” When in reality the part they
don’t have respect for is the part that says that skateboarding is illegal. And I guess the laws the law, you’re still
breaking it but, It would be more helpful if people looked
at what you’re doing as your own personal expression and your own personal athletic
creativity and that maybe you just need somewhere else to do it. Do you make a lot of people mad? I make tons of people mad. Why? Why do you think they get mad? Skateboarders are graffiti artists, they really
are. Except for the finished product isn’t somewhat appealing at all to…even a skateboarder. It’s a question of value systems and I think
that if people would really open their hearts to skateboarders that there would be a neutral
ground of concession. You know, it’s a pretty small price to pay
just replacing some concrete or granite every once in a while, or having it cleaned if you
want. But I think skateboarders add life to a community if they’re there. As long as they’re
behaving responsibly. There’s been more than two hundred articles
written about Love Park in the past two years in the local papers. There’s so many. And so many of them are people writing in
saying, “I feel safe in the park, when skateboarders are there.” They’re taking the skatestoppers
off of ledges in certain areas of Vancouver as part of a program to make certain places
more safe for a woman to walk through. The American mentality doesn’t allow for that
sort of thing as easily and it’s funny that it’s happening, you know, miles from our border. The only problems that I see within skateboarding
is kids feeling like they have a stereotype placed upon them as they begin skateboarding. We were all good kids, you know? And then
we picked up these skateboards and they started telling us we were bad kids. Everywhere they go they’re not supposed to
be skateboarding so in order to skateboard you suddenly become a law breaker. Kids are gonna be kids. Kids have always been
kids. There’s always a certain amount of rebelliousness, you know? It’s just part of growing up. And whether those kids skate or not, I think
there’s always gonna be those kids who don’t want to follow the rules. Most of the skateboarders today go to school,
go to college, maybe back in the sixties and seventies if they skateboarded that meant
they dropped out of school and they were gonna do drugs. How do you feel skateboarders should be treated? With respect. If they give us respect, we’ll
give them respect back, that’s what I think. Treat others how you want to be treated. Exactly. I respect what you do and what you’re trying
to do but by the same token I’d appreciate the same level of respect for my property,
which is the personal property that you’re on. Try and show respect for law enforcement,
as well as the people in the community. No matter what you do, you can be nice, you
can be friendly and thankful and even if a cop comes and says, “Hey, you shouldn’t be
skating here.” You can say, “I’m sorry officer.” and be nice
to him. Just part of growing up is realizing that
the negative things that come on to you, are always going to be turned into a positive
for your life. If you want to be happy, you know what I mean? Cause you could be mad about it and be like,
“Dude, this sucks, my life, the cops are always on my tail or people are always judging me,
yadda yadda yadda, I’ll show them.” Or you can turn it around and make it positive, like,
they have no idea, they’lll never know how it feels to skate a pool. I think parents just need to know who their
kids are, you know? They just need to know their own kids. Be able to put trust and faith
in their kids and trust and faith that their kids are going to make the right decisions.
That they’ve given them the right information. That they are there to talk about anything. I think that people should just have a little
bit more respect for everybody in general. Now? Now. Take Two. Just look at me when you talk. Look at you and talk. Oh, oh, oh, is the rest
going to be useful? Yeah, it’ll be fine. Okay, that’s fine, it’s much more fun to look
at you than to look at that damn thing. It used to be like meathead people would drive
by and lean out the window and yell “Skate or Die dude!” and now they ride by and yell
“360 Kickflip!” so now they shout tricks at you when they used to shout like, other stuff… Although I guess, Skate or Die was a video
game before, so really it all comes from video games when people yell at you out the window. I’ll skate down the street and hear someone
ask me to do a nine hundred, you know? You just saw that on TV, I think people should
watch a lot less TV and read a lot more books. The basic whole problem is that like, why
fourteen year old kids are getting tackled at City Hall is because they’re so much easier
to catch than a drug dealer. You know what I mean? Like a fourteen year old kid isn’t
going to shoot back. How are skateboarders in the past different
from skaters now? Skateboarders from the past are… old now. Everyone fights. Yeah. I never punched anybody in the face without
boxing gloves on. Yeah you have. I never punched you in the face. I punched you in the face. Yeah you have. Campus, to the bottom of campus… FIRE ALARM BLARING Fire alarm everybody evacuate the building! Are you serious? Yeah I’m serious. I don’t know that kids that do skateboarding
are any worse than kids that do snowboarding. I’m a skier. And frankly, snowboarders are
offensive to me but that’s because I’m a skier. Just don’t show that to snowboarders cause
I don’t want them hitting me up on the hill. Alright. I have a longboard myself and my kids pull
me on the BMX bike on it all the time. It’s quite fun. Cool. What got you into film? Just in high school I took a couple video
classes and all I ever made in my video classes is either skateboard films or documentaries
about local bands. That’s what I’m still doing. I uh, when I was growing up I did some skateboarding.
My mom was always worried that I was gonna get hurt so she paid me some money to stop
skateboarding. Are you serious? Yeah. “If I give you a hundred dollars would you
let me throw your skateboard away?” And I was a kid and a hundred dollars was a lot
to me so I took it. My name is Mike Vallely. You might be surprised
by that, VALLely not VallEly. Skateboarding….I don’t know if that answered
your question at all did it? Look to Miki for answers, if you want answers he’ll give
you answers. I’ll just talk.

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59 thoughts on “Skateboarding is not Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 or the X games or….

  • February 20, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    Rad documentary! Keep kiliin it Drew!

  • February 20, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    That was my forst time watching it. Loved it. Thanks for posting Drew!

  • February 21, 2013 at 12:35 am

    Thanks for watching!

  • February 21, 2013 at 4:44 am

    36:00 ish.. .off duty police officer? he barely speaks any english.

  • February 21, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    that's funny. i thought, "that guy kinda looks like me"… didnt realize it actually was me until i say my name. totally forgot about this.

  • February 21, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    11:20 urine ruins plants? if that were true my drunk uncle's back yard would not be the beautiful green paradise that it is.

  • February 25, 2013 at 7:14 am

    Awesome documentary the love park designer was awesome

  • June 15, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    Proper!! Thank You and Great Work my brotha!!

  • June 15, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    awesome! how long did this take u too film :O

  • June 16, 2013 at 1:40 am

    Sure had a good time watching this, well done! Ten years later I think the image is getting much better (from what I witness in Montreal). When most 70 years old people will know what its like to ride a board the mentality will be a lot better in general.

  • June 16, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    great job dude

  • June 17, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    BMXs chip curbs not skateboards i ve seen curbs that are to low for bikes not chip after decadesREAD

  • June 17, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    I have a question about school policies, why would they still ban rollerblading, who actually rollerblades anymore

  • June 18, 2013 at 3:16 am

    great film brother, im a 29 yr old "old head" skateboarder from the 90s and i still do it and get hurt get back on and keep going! ps: im so old that i haaaad "Skate or Die" one and two for NES!!! hahhaha shout out to cliff babinsack!

  • June 18, 2013 at 3:34 am

    fantastic documentary!

  • June 19, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    there are cool cops and dick cops just like there are cool skaters and dick skataers. more dick cops of course

  • June 19, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    i do! beeyoch you cant beat a good skateboard and rollerblade sesh

  • June 19, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    Great documentary. I think everyone who truly represents skateboarding should watch this.

  • June 20, 2013 at 7:06 am

    "i would probably say about 500,000 dollars worth of damage throughout the year"
    bullshit. fucking bullshit.

  • June 21, 2013 at 10:51 am

    I never understood why people put stoppers on things to stop skaters grinding on them. I don't grind on anyone's property but I'd love to argue with them about it. "So, you put these here so skaters can't scratch it up, so you can keep it looking nice? Well, it doesn't look nice because it has an ugly stopper on it…"

  • June 21, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Salt. Lake. City.

  • June 26, 2013 at 7:12 am

    Absolutly fantastic documentary

  • July 7, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    I made it over the span of a year and a half and originally released it in January 2005.

  • July 21, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Great Doc. Soundtrack was awesome

  • August 21, 2013 at 5:33 am

    awesome stuff. really enjoyed this. thankyou.

  • August 22, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    See da dign what does it sday

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  • September 4, 2013 at 2:30 am

    This is amazing man. I think this took the words right out of everyone's mouth.

  • September 6, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    rad documentary! kinda glam i live in england now never get any hassle for skateing, probly coz all the sceans over here a litraly dead.

  • September 12, 2013 at 9:35 am

    skateboarding is not a crime

  • September 25, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    I love this video <3

  • October 1, 2013 at 1:41 am

    Dumm skater haters

  • October 1, 2013 at 1:49 am

    It's funny how haters don't even skate and evenif the

  • October 1, 2013 at 1:49 am

    They skated they would do it to

  • October 1, 2013 at 1:52 am

    Hahaha he said keep people safe at love park 7 people got shot there

  • October 27, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    I definitely don't agree with duane cox. he says that skater purposely shoot there boards in windows. I don't know anyone who would do that!

  • January 10, 2014 at 2:25 am

    Mike V is awesome!

  • March 12, 2014 at 3:32 am

    That really old dude is awesome haha

  • April 28, 2014 at 12:09 am

    They put skaters in jail but they dont put drug dealers,thugs,and etc idgi

  • January 4, 2015 at 3:47 pm

    I love thps 3 on psx

  • January 17, 2015 at 8:03 am

    Mike Vallely is so sick

  • March 18, 2015 at 11:32 pm

    Part of why we skate the streets, at least in my case, is that we outgrow our parks. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate having a park in the first place, but you can only skate the same five obstacles so long before you're going to want something else, something you can progress on. I've skated some ridiculously small parks before. I wish cities would pay a little more, and make better parks. A four inch high flatbar isn't going to appeal to every skateboarder, a lot of us would like more of a challenge, a park with some longevity to it.

  • March 18, 2015 at 11:32 pm

    Awesome documentary, by the way.

  • March 29, 2015 at 2:57 am

    If someone slams their skateboard into a wall or through a window for the sake of vandalism, they're not a real skater. No real skater would do that to his/her board.

  • May 26, 2015 at 2:02 am

    Ripping doc main….

  • July 1, 2015 at 6:46 am

    The reason I started skateboarding is because the people I looked up too had a certain kind of modesty to them, not these rude punks talking back being disrespectful. I've been a skater for 20 years, but I don't agree with destroying property like waxing ledges and grinding rails. If you wanna wax ledges do it at the skatepark.

  • October 19, 2015 at 2:02 am

    fuckin intimidatated taikwondo customerz…hhahaha

  • July 20, 2016 at 9:19 pm

    You really do have to actually destroy some property really badly to get into trouble with the law here in Finland.

  • August 19, 2016 at 7:19 am

    But the people they need youllll!! And all our steeze ambitions!!

  • November 15, 2016 at 8:17 pm

    I love skateboarding but I can't skate but I still love it

  • January 31, 2017 at 4:38 am

    For the stereotype that says "skateboarders are druggies and alcoholics;" I have skated for 15 years, and in my 20 years of existence I've had 1 beer, and tried marijuana once, and I'm considering becoming a drug and alcohol counselor. I also don't intend on ever quitting skateboarding. That stereotype is not true.

  • July 12, 2017 at 7:06 am

    Damn. That was incredible. Wish it was four hours long. I'm 43 now and skating never leaves you. Even if you drift away from it. You are always a skater. You night stand on a board again someday and be reminded of how damn much you love it. People that have never experienced what it is to be a skater, will never understand.

  • July 14, 2017 at 6:18 pm

    Rent a cop:"How old are you?"
    skater/director "23"
    Rent a cop "Your not ready to give skateboarding up?

    What a fucking douche.

  • May 12, 2018 at 8:45 pm

    No shit

  • May 12, 2018 at 8:45 pm

    Stomp his God loving face tell him to fuck Jesus

  • May 12, 2018 at 8:50 pm

    I'm an adult skateboarder if you know your not supposed to skate somewhere you know your not supposed to be …. ……….expect to get harassed or kicked out you don't have any rite to b thear. It's the risk that comes with skateing so stop crying.

  • May 12, 2018 at 8:52 pm

    What's with blue smurf boy

  • May 12, 2018 at 9:08 pm

    Philly is a dump.


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