what's going on guys welcome to the swanky cam productions channel if you like getting off the road on the trail and enjoying the outdoors then you were in the right place today we're gonna be talking about snowmobiles rider up position versus rider down position the old-style snowmobiles first up is a classic riding position this is a 2003 parts of cat f5 so in the cross product position you're kind of in a 9090 position meaning your upper body is 90 degrees from your upper legs and then your upper leg is 90 degrees from your lower leg because the slips under the ground because your lower to the ground you have a much lower center of gravity so what makes these turns pretty easy to navigate unless the track slides out front yeah they're not so easy it's more snow out here another good thing about this position is that you're really pretty much concealed behind the whole windshield and so pretty much maybe my shoulders up is in direct wind how's the recipes ahead and behind it which on a cold night is it's definitely a nice thing to have if you're looking in the new market you're not really gonna find anything like this anymore pretty much from the start up until like the mid-2000s they were kind of all gonna be this classic style position or set of fur just kind of cruising along on the trail not really meant for doing anything else not to say that you can't my buddy crossfire Jason can carve better on this sled than I can on my own one can you still hit jumps well of course you can holy man this does have I think it's like a four inch bar riser on it so that helps a lot and you can definitely do stuff like that put a bar riser on even this same exact style sled top couple years later it has a different seat on it that gives you a little bit more of a rider up position so I'd be more like this this doesn't look good you still want are able to stand up on these a little bit fresh if my feet further back I can kind of hunched over and get a bit of a decent stance on it we're standing up more of our Iser and I could probably I can probably wrap this thing around pretty good and some people really like these my wife included she would much rather write this one from my other one a lot of fun so in the used market in general these are probably going to be a little bit less expensive just because they are an older sled compared to compared to the newer rider up ones most of those are going to be ten mid 2000s and then up after that the f-series Arctic ATS were pretty much I think the last kind of classic style sleds that made anything like the ZL this yard and like that those are all pretty much going to be the same thing more or less the same chassis style the same thing for the olders canoes and Yamahas and that sort of thing that tree rider I don't even know more experienced writer this really is not a bad option any they're good sleds there's still a lot of fun to ride on I mean anything you can get out on the trail on and enjoy the outdoors on is cool with me man I don't care what you're riding out here if you're riding a 1960 washing machine whatever it is I don't like washing machines as long as you're getting out in your joint outdoors that's all that really matters alright so moving on to the rider up position anything after like I said mid to late 2000s is gonna at least be kind of moving towards this style seating position this in particular is a 2008 Polaris dragon 600 which is kind of just a fancy Polaris IQ so not really the most aggressive style seating position even though it is the 2008 there's definitely some that are going to be there's an IQ right there even just a couple years after this their that are much more of an aggressive stance basically what it means to be a rider up position the sled just kind of Japs you up in the air a little bit you're not in that 9090 position like we were on the classic file flood my torso is a little bit less of a severe angle to my upper legs and then my lower leg then of course then to is in a little bit less of a extreme angle really what that does is keeps your feet closer to underneath you which gives you a lot more options as far as seating position you can make yourself a little bit more comfortable where that classic style position you're pretty much just stuck in that spot so this led I can have my feet in front of me nice tucked away in there or I can pull them back a little ways to get myself a little bit more suspension can lift my butt up off the seat if I'm going through something bumpy this let does also have a bar riser on here I believe this one is a six inch that definitely keeps your arms up a little bit so you can work the bars a little bit easier and if something like this gives you the ability to stand up pretty comfortably a little bit the higher of a riser on this even would be a bit better for standing up but I'm pretty darn comfortable I don't really have to hunched over anything my back is pretty close to being straight my knees are of course bent just a little bit just to kind of be ready to absorb impact but it's really pretty comfortable too so wrap around on this if you're doing stuff that's technical if you do a jump something like that it's nice to be able to stand up for that chorus but even just regular riding I mean if you kind of need a need a break you need to stretch your back out a little bit stretch your legs you can actually just kind of cruise along I mean I can I can ride this I can't sitting down as far as the control and speed I mean I'm comfortable at that speed feeding that high up off the sled and a lot of these newer sleds will have grips all up and down the runners like that so you can put your feet really wherever you want stay on the throw low and you still have that grip so you wanna give a little bit of air you just stand on up and your life can really absorb that impact especially if you're gonna do stuff like climb the hills and goofing around carving that sort of thing having a sled like this is really the kind of the way to go the bad thing about having the center of gravity of the sled and you a little bit higher up is that when you go to take corners you do tend to pick skis up quite a bit like I said my wife definitely likes the other the other style sled better and if you're used to the classic style sled and you get on one of these that's the first thing that you're going to notice is wow does this thing feel tippy and they definitely are but the thing you have to kind of realize is that just because you pick a ski up doesn't mean that you're gonna flip over now I'm not saying getting on one of these and go crazy there's definitely a learning curve but they're still very manageable just because you pick a ski up doesn't mean you can't ride like that a little while and it just kind of happens it and you can lean it way over when you take the corner and you'll have a lot less of a chance to pick that ski up and a lot of times if you hit the gas when that ski comes up it'll kind of slide the tail-end out and put that ski right back down again once you get the hang of it and I probably still haven't rolled south let's remember this is just my opinion if you have an older style classic sled and you love it there is absolutely nothing wrong with that as long as you were getting out and enjoying the trails then that is the perfect snowmobile for you so you guys have a snowmobile please let me know what it is down in the comment box below there and let everybody else know what you think of it do you like the ride around position do you not like it would you rather have the classic sled if you guys are interested in other people's opinions please check those comments down below so if you guys enjoyed this kind of video make sure and check out one of the videos up at the top of the screen here if you'd like to make sure that you get notified every Saturday morning when I put a video out click that so Mike you can't blow it down at the bottom and 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DON'T Buy An Old Snowmobile!

27 thoughts on “DON'T Buy An Old Snowmobile!

  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    2010 Polaris rush 600

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    1980's articat cougar 440 want to get a 1961 or 62 elan tho

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    I got a 08 Yamaha nytro it has some nuts

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    i’ve got a 2012 ski doo 600 etec, love the machine!

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    I have a 98 Polaris Lite Deluxe 340 and your knees ride higher than your butt. Although if you are in a foot of powder it still takes effort to get to the point of where you are on the verge of tipping over. in 4 inches of crusty snow, you can't lift a ski if you try. Once in a while, you can but it takes all you have.

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    I have the same firecat freakin fast

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    Thumbs down to the title, nothing wrong with and old well maintained sled.

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    thing is you don't have to go balls out as you put it. i just switched from a 97 skidoo 380 touring to a 16 polaris pro-s rush 600 SC(aka shorty) with the axys chassis, which is even more upright. if you've ever ridden a dirtbike/crotch rocket, it's like that. you can almost draw a straight line up from your feet, to your knees, to your hips, back and shoulders. your knees aren't bent too much. the center of balance is centered, it only takes a slight lean and bit of a pull on the bars to turn. i don't stand unless i see an extreme bump, and for someone who is 5' nothing, i'm not getting tossed around or having to scoot forward all the time to regain control. for someone with bad knees and shoulders, i couldn't handle the steering anymore on the older sleds which require more brute force, my hubby couldn't take the abuse on his mechanic's back anymore either. we sold the paired tourings to a kid and his father to bomb around their farm on, 13 years old can fight with it better lol.

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    I have a 98 xcf 440 with a riser im in 8 th grade and its perfect for me I can whip it around pretty good

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    Mine is a 1990 Polaris indy 500 bored 80 over canned and piped liquid cool and it's a 90 90 position and I love it if you give it a little but of gas it picks the skis off the ground

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    1994 Arctic Cat Jag 440

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    08 Arctic cat m8

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    out of the 4 sleds i have owend in my life my old polaris 340 was the most fun, not sure if it was my age at the time but it was fun it got me anywhere i wanted maybe not fast but i got there

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    I did dirt bike riding when younger. I had to have this or that and would justify the costs and re-engineering my ride. You couldnt talk me out of the "why's" NOT to buy it. My Bike was awesome and sunk tons of $ after market stuff in it! Then i had a realization….Do i really need that exhaust to go a lil faster? do i need light gas tank for shifting weight? Do i really need that suspension that wont bottom out after an 80ft jump? Then i got wise and picked a bike for its manufactured engineering and design. So funny to watch and talk to the younger Gen with all the garb. LOL…talk to any kid now and they just cant se what ur REALY talking about. But of course they will tell ya different. Guess with age …… comes wisdom

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    I like the rider forward sled. Much less sore after a long ride. Helps alot on bumpy trails too. Just bought a 2013 indy 600 sp. Also have a Polaris iq sled. My 2013 has a nicer seat to so it has even a better ride then the iq.

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    I have an 02 Ski Doo MXZ 800 I had a choice of the 07 rider up or the 02 old style I like the old style I feel more attached to the sled and she flys! I don't have that level of feel with the newer ones.

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    2015 Polaris switchback pro s 600. I am only 13 and can handle it really well love it

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    I ride a 2004 f5 and my dad rides a 03 f7 and we both love the older style seating positions

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    1996 ski doo formula 3 600 triple

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    1978 Kawasaki Invader 440

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    2000 Skidoo MXZ 700 – fast & reliable

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    i have a 2001 formula deluxe 700, i also have a 6 inch riser on it and that makes it very confy for trail riding, it is the older style sled and i personally prefer it more then the rider forward.

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    I have a Yamaha SW 440

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    I had an 05 mach Z. Blew it up, traded my way to an 01 cat zr.. I can't stand it and kick my self everyday for not spending the money to fix the Mach. The ZR just doesn't go places and gets stuck easier with that low suspension

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    I like my 06 rev 800 with 8" riser for deeper snow, but otherwise just cruising around the towns and lakes my old 98 zr 600 is funner

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  • June 19, 2019 at 6:32 am
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    97 Yamaha 700 triple one of the best sleds they made and one of the fastest

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