Can Casual Players still enjoy Classic WoW? How far can Casuals progress in Classic?

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    Enter the FIRST "Classic WoW Giveaway" here: https://twitter.com/TipsOutBaby/status/1124800769138384896

    Good luck guys 😀

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    Mmogo have wow classic gold for sale!Cheap,fast and safe!

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    This is my problem with Vanilla. It rewards those who play much, not those, who play good.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    I will roll a Demonology Warlock and everyone else can suck it. Classic Wow coming back, can't wait.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    Theres no real substantial reason for me, a veteran casual who experienced all versions of wow to go back and do it all again. Vanilla was a real pain in the ass. It only got really great in BC and Wrath anyway and the LFG function is crucial for me enjoying the game. Without it its just an awful nightmare. Also Flying feels so great i cant live without it. Ill dabble in it for a couple of weeks purely for nostalgic reasons only. I cant get invested into old inferior in many ways content. GOOD LUCK trying to get any decent gear as a casual. Its purely for the no lifers.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    You got a sub! Great content!

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    Can see Vanilla being big at first but will slowly fade in numbers, the hardcore will always be around. Can't see the community being the same, noobs and newbies made the servers and communities great back in the day, I loved helping somebody new to the guild, or just helping someone run dungeons and what not, I just cant see it taking off with new players, I can definitely see the hardcore building a community, will that be fun, who the fuck knows, I loved the game back in the day but wont be returning for Vanilla myself, no matter what anyone says, Vanilla is for the hardcore only, it really is.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    As some posted, I think lack of a enjoyable community as a whole for most people is the problem with WoW. I think its a small number of people that are being toxic compared to everyday players just don't want to deal with it. That's what killed social aspect of say just trade chat. Someone will be an ass because someone made a mistake. I can understand it if you have been raiding for awhile and this person continuously made mistakes but even then just replace the person instead of going nuts. I act the same IRL as I do playing games. I've raid leaded for many xpacs and although we were a casual raiding group I still would run 3 different groups a week at the most. I understood that some people are going to make mistake. You see people's tenancies and who will most likely not get out of the fire or mess up a mechanic. Yes, I understand that most mechanics seem easy to most people but some people do struggle. Whether, its a hardware, internet latency, or they are just slow to respond I never "lost my shit." Was I annoyed sometimes? Of Course but I didn't yell it out in the raid. I worked around people's limitations. Most of the players that mess up know they did. I'll calmly talk to the person if it looks like they are having a misunderstanding of a raid fight. Past that as long as I felt like they were trying and not acting an ass I was ok with it. I'd rather have say 10 people who aren't the best with a good attitude I can work with that rather than some great players who are asses. That's what will ruin a raiding experience. I don't mind someone yelling at me but the thing is if "mess up" then it leaves you up for the same reaction from some people. The people who yell are the ones that tend to tense up when they make a mistake and someone responds to them about their mistake tend to be the ones who have the reaction like "you guys are garbage I'm out Noobs." I would love to raid but's it difficult to find raiding fun with people who don't have a similar opinion that raiding is more about the social than the actual game experience. I believe that enjoying raiding is more important than progression for me. Loot is a bonus for downing bosses not a driving force.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    The answer to the title is no.. actually hell no, there is no casual raiding in vanilla, pvp? yeah, but you dont get granmarshall by playng a few hours a week, you will have to sit your ass in front of your pc and play for days consecutive, competing agaisnt hundreds of players, and if you take 3 hours to sleep, you will loose your position. So no casual scrubs on vanilla, I loved it, but I will stay on bfa.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    For hell who is playing 5 – 10 hours per week

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    Nope. Not if you want to raid. And raiding is the only way to get good gear. And most people play games to get gear. (Edit: And I am one of those players that went from EQ raiding to WoW raiding)

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    Thanks Tips, subbed!

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    I want that Tauren Druid statute.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    WoW was like crack to me. You can't enjoy Classic playing casually, you won't, you'll lose yourself.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    honestly me and my buddy played vanilla for probably a year and were lvl 24 and 26 when bc came out lol, but it didn't matter because we spent so much time just running around making friends and sneaking into horde main cities ( we were rogues) and other fun things like the strangle thorn arena chest that we never once got despite trying so so many times lol. even through bc we never maxed it was still just about having fun, then when wotlk came out he quit and i maxed :/ I continued to play after that but it has never been the same.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    I love your vids but if I may. "ilvl" 120 in PvE was (dont know if it still will be in this remake) VERY different than 120 in PVP. PvP gear had no "hit" for example thus even if ilvl is 120 will actually make you weaker in PvE u couldnt necessarily pvp to rank 10 for gear then go raid.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    I grew up with Lich King I was 9 when I first started I am so excited to see how Vinalla works and plays

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    The PVE part is simply untrue. 40m raiding is extremely demanding and you will be expected to attend 3 out of 4 raiding evenings for anywhere between 3 and 5 hours of undivided attention with a maximum break of 5-10 minutes. Hell even 20 man ZG is not a walk in the park, i remember our tank had best blue gear with some MC epic and he simply couldnt tank ZG we waited for shield wall to be ready on every pack to clear to the first boss. Now if you won't be in raiding guild, good luck "casually clearing" anything in your blue gear. Raiding content was NOT for casuals, don't fool yourself.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    You fotgot to mention very important thing.
    Pvp twinks.
    THATS the way of being pvp hero and have extreme fun for casuals. I

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    I started as 4 year olds (I'm now 18), I started of with Guild Wars, which was good but not as good. My dad is also very hyped, he is now 56 so I can't wait to be able to play with everyon including him, though I know he has gotten worse

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    5-10 hours a week? You need to factor in just how long it is going to take to gear up to the point of being able to even raid to begin with, unless you get lucky and people just outright carry you in complete pre 60 garbage just for the sake of it. Most scholo runs are going to be what… like 1.5 hours? One side of strat is a good hour or more. You are not guaranteed to get anything in a single run.

    The time it takes to get enough gold for repairs or enchants and such also needs to be factored in. If it takes those people 5-6 months to hit 60, then it is likely going to take 1-2 months to gear up pre raid.

    Also, if someone has 10 hours a week to play.. will they really be capable of attending scheduled raids that last 3~ of those hours in a single day? My guess is no.

    Not trying to discourage from the overall point here, but there is a reason so few people raided back then, and it wasn't for lack of wanting to. The time commitment required is massive, even for the more casual players. A guild that raids 2 days a week is going to crawl at a snail's pace, and isn't guaranteed to survive (many guilds died back then due to not progressing quickly enough). No point in getting people's hopes up just to get them into the leveling process alone.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    As a beta player who been through all these years, I stop playing WOW serious after BC. I don't think I can handle the classic anymore. It will take me years to level, lol.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    yea we can, probably will do more pvp than pve but its ok

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    there is absolutely no need to rush in this game. Play as you like and do what you like.
    Back in the day I had ZERO clue raids even existed, hell I didnt even know dungeons existed until I joined a guild at lvl 45. I ran around in greens and whatever crap I received as quest rewards. I was that clueless.

    All i keep seeing in most videos are players projecting their game plan ie: raiding and meaningless server first crap and not at all the realistic means MOST players will take.

    Again, play what you want and do what you want.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    this is good news because I will only have about 5 to 10 hours per week to play, and I really want to get in on some raids. I didn't play back in vanilla wow, and I always found the gear grind tedious and frustrating. Not that Calssic won't be hard to level, I am hoping that I will be able to gear up sufficiently to play end game content. For the first time in years I am excited about WoW again. 🙂

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    Omg rbg tank system

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    "Casual" wasn't a term used back then. So it's a bit odd to say WoW was designed "for Casuals." In terms of early 2000s, WoW was designed for EVERYONE. It had fewer penalties on death and respawn than other mmorpgs at the time. The load on the average PC alone is an indicator that WoW was designed so that even an economy PC could run it. WoW was made to appeal to everyone and it did.

    The difference now isn't how much time people have to play. It was never considered healthy to play long hours. People made those decisions on their own including what content they wanted to play. Unlike asian localizations, WoW doesn't have a "leveling race" problem where whoever gets to level cap first dominates the server. Content and activities are continually ongoing at the pace the player sets and will be available when the player hits 60.

    So what has changed? Player expectations. Today, players feel entitled to be able to gain all rewards and cosmetics, complete all content, and experience all of the product without heavy time investment or frustrating gameplay penalties that make the game take longer to complete. WoW Live today has fulfilled those desires. Characters are generally OP compared to mobs and dying is easily avoided. The questing is linear and progresses fairly quickly. The game is more of an entertainment module and less of a challenge or immersive exploration game. Compared to Live, Classic is feared as a time-wasting turtle but it may be the opposite.

    Players in Classic are often more engaged despite the slower pace and do not notice the passage of time as noticeably as their "blazing to get done" Live counterparts. "Turbo nerds" really? The players who want to rush to endgame are not nerds. The nerd is studying horticulture in Moonglade or fishing while imagining himself as Yagyu Jubei Mitsuyoshi. However, there's always min/maxers and ultra-competitive players who want to get to the top ASAP usually for World PvP.

    WoW Classic's main content is in the openworld. Players today who are more completionists or used to Live shuttling them through content will need to decide what they really want to do and what they can really accomplish with their time (same as everyone else). PvP and Questing is fairly accessible and even playing a few hours per week can get you a level 60 in 2-3 months. (My friend worked a normal job and made level 30 in 1 month. I'm sure he would have made cap in another 2 months but he didn't play that long. Six months is a long time even for Vanilla leveling.) Even raiding is possible though likely the most difficult to do on limited time. Raids were locked to resets however so even players with limited time will not fall much behind.

    Enjoyment is completely subjective so I dislike the term. If enjoyment means "enjoy the game," yes, anyone can enjoy the game regardless of how much time they have. If enjoyment means achieve certain goals, WoW still is more accessible that most other mmorpgs out there that have to launch new servers to bring in more players. The biggest disadvantage players may face is world leveling but if they focus on leveling guides or power-level with friends, they will outstrip the average flowerpicking no-lifer in no time. Also, there's literally no penalty for not leveling quickly. So everyone can play at their own pace.

    Progress "meaningfully." It's not complicated. The answer is simply yes. The Questing and Dungeons are easily available to everyone on their own schedules especially those who have guilds with dedicated times to run group content. And the friends made early on may become raid buddies later.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    Well, I'm one of that pvp-casuals (only hitted 2400 max in Cata and MoP) that don't like pve aspect of the game at all, soo… I'll just level up with my friends to 60 (actually love questing, just don't like raids and grind) and than leave the game, since gear means a lot and pvp system in Classic sucks if you're not living in your mom's basement. Good game btw, just not for the people that enjoy pvp.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    free time? i work from 9 to 4pm, yes i have time if i want to, thing is my internet conection has been shit since july 2018, and telmex my company already know that, i mean is a town problem not just mine xD i mean i cant even play the division 2, or farming simulator 17 multiplayer tho… come on!

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    Just worried about all the speed levelers who are going to hit lvl 60 in a week and then just gank me as a lowbie who is just trying to enjoy the WORLD. The streamer a$$hats like ASSmongold and their like, I feel, are going to RUIN the game.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    Awesome video! Subscribing and hitting that bell!

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    I was 18 or 20 something when I played classic and I can tell you for fact that you can not play it casually. Good looking farming whipper root tubers and titan flasks for raids.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    I was 19 when my friend gave me my ten day pass. Now I'm a 33 year old father of 3. Its gonna be tough but I will try my best to enjoy it.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    Casual players get the absolute most out of Classic IMO, because classic WoW was never designed with the tiny minority that actually finishes it's content in mind, it was designed to have stuff to do for years for people who aren't that hardcore.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    I stopped playing this at the end of Lich king, since then, it’s the first time I think about coming back

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    Lets agree on this: Classic was made for old dudes who don’t wanna play with children

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    Casuals that never experienced vanilla wow will be eaten alive and rage quit, few will be hardened into gamers. Now excuse me while i set up my pc next to the toilet.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    as someone whos only experienced classic, this video sounds like a bunch of bull. most guilds that ran 40 man content were strict in recruiting. just to have a chance you need best in slot gear pre raid and a flexible schedual to accomidate for the 39 other players needed for the raid. each raid is done is segments over the course of a week so you need multiple hour free slots in your schedual that lines up with everyone else
    then after all that chances are you wont get any gear at all. depending on how your guild handles loot expect to take a couple months of solid raiding at the very least for a full set of gear

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    Of course they can. Stupid question. It's the best MMO RPG ever made and now that we bring the RPG back it's going to be great again.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    No desire to hardcore raid. Plan on picking up some gear in MC and then concentrating on pvp. I hope the streamers choose to hardcore raid to keep those PITAS out of my hair.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    There was a rogue in WoW, who had T3 but no guild.
    So fuck you and fuck your review!

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    I became a casual player as the game became less complex.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    I don't get this whole "too busy" thing – how come everyone had free time in 2004, but not 10 years later?

    Some will say "they got a job and a family" – so you're trying to tell me no one had jobs and families in 2004? Having a job/family wasn't invented yet?

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    Some of your videos are decent, but you always sound mentally retarded when you say "tips out baby" at the end.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    If you already have WOW from the beginning to BFA can you play Classic Wow when it comes out or will it be a separate game you have to install?

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    If you stop thinking about progression as the only means of enjoying an MMORPG, then you start to realize that question doesn't matter

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    heh I started in 2004 at age 30 and was raiding MC and BWL with no issues. Responsibilities and all. Now at 45 I plan to do the same with Classic 🙂

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    Casual players 30min experience is runing from one point to other.

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    Fucking yes. The beauty of classic is that you do not need to be max level to enjoy the game. Modern wow is always boring unless you're at max level. But classic is a shared rpg. A casuals dream!

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  • May 29, 2019 at 10:35 am
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    Id love to play wow again. Used to play it when level cap was 60. open world pvp was lame and fun and running around just doing stuffing too.

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