Over the last year, several states have passed controversial laws restricting abortion. Laws passed in Alabama and Georgia that would effectively ban the procedure are aimed at giving the nation’s high court an opportunity to reverse its controversial 1973 ruling in Roe vs. Wade. The history of criminalization pre-Roe provides a window into how abortion bans will play out if re-instituted, and points to ways of reducing the number of abortions in the U.S., while protecting choice and reproductive health. Before the passage of Roe vs. Wade, government prohibition wasn’t very effective. After the first state laws criminalizing abortion were passed in the late 19th century, women found ways to obtain the procedure anyway, even with the threat of arrest and prosecution hanging over their heads. Upper-class white women were more likely to find relatively safe ways to break the law, while everyone else turned to shady operators risking infertility and death. There is no need to speculate about what would happen if full-scale abortion bans were restored. All we have to do is look to the past. Abortion was not always a hot-button political issue in American life. Before the 1850’s local papers from Kansas to New York had ads for female pills promising relief for ladies. Female physicians, like Madam Rustell, solicited clients looking to be treated for obstruction of the monthly period. But the use of coded language merely reflected the Victorian-era sensibilities. Up until the 19th century, abortion of early pregnancy was legal and common. These abortion ads stirred little controversy. Bearing children was risky. Women were about 40 times more likely to die giving birth than today. The infant mortality rate in the late 1800’s was over 17 percent. Abortive tonics and potions were generally ineffective and potentially dangerous, but determined women could turn to midwives or physicians for procedures that roughly mirrored modern techniques. When Abortion was a Crime, by University of Illinois historian Leslie Reagan, documents how terminating pregnancies was both common practice and an open secret. An estimated one in five women had an abortion during this period, and they tended to be married and upper-class. Prevalent cultural attitudes of the time only viewed abortion after the first trimester as immoral. For the 1850’s the turning point from legal to illegal was known as “the quickening,” or when a woman could feel the fetus move, which generally happens in the second trimester. Quickening was an important distinction under common law and Catholic doctrine. Public sentiment shifted in the second half of the 19th century. The criminalization of abortion began mainly as a business tactic to bring women’s reproductive health under control of the emerging physician class. Accredited male doctors campaign to pass abortion bans at the state and federal level as a way to shut down unlicensed and mostly female practitioners. The end goal to establish state control over the medical profession. It was the newly formed American Medical Association, under the direction of Dr.Horacio Storer that led the effort and criminalizing abortion. Storer made a passionate moral argument against the procedure, which had the effect of de-legitimizing expert female practitioners. Again media coverage skewed the reality of abortion procedures. The death rate from abortions performed by midwives and physicians were nearly identical, yet news reports blamed non-accredited female practitioners with sensationalized stories of women bleeding to death from botched procedures. Storer also capitalized on fears of falling birth rates among white native-born women, arguing that if they were allowed to abort, it would hasten the takeover of the country by foreigners and people of color. In 1894, then New York City Police Commissioner Teddy Roosevelt, called white women who sought abortions “race criminals.” The American Medical
Association’s efforts were a resounding success, and driving the practice underground. By 1880, most states had passed laws that prohibited abortion except when a woman’s life was in danger. And generally male doctors got to make the decision when it came to a woman’s personal health. The American Medical Association also scored a victory at the federal level, with the passage of the 1873 Comstock law, an anti-obscenity bill that prohibited sending abortion and birth control information through the U.S. Postal Service. While abortions were illegal, most women were still able to obtain one sympathetic physicians and midwives who tended to disregard the law and comply with their patient’s request. Over more than a century of criminalization, from after the Civil War to the passage of
Roe vs. Wade, scholars estimate that a quarter of all pregnancies ended in abortion. Another consequence of abortion bans was law enforcement interfering in private lives. Cops fought back against illegal abortions with arrests, interrogations, and prosecution. Police officers and prosecutors threatened doctors with jail time to get them to collaborate with local law enforcement, and punishing women who sought their services. In 1902, the Journal of the American Medical Association advised physicians to demand bedside statements of exoneration before treating women who had undergone botched abortions. Men whose lovers had died while having a pregnancy terminated were sometimes arrested and charged with failing to fulfill their paternal obligations. By the Great Depression, abortion was illegal in every state, and yet the practice had become more common. Medical studies and sex surveys indicated that women of every social class turned to abortion in greater numbers as the economy deteriorated. But only the wealthy and well-connected
could safely obtain the procedure through the loophole of medical necessity. This generally involved paying out of pocket to be examined by three doctors, including a psychiatrist, who would make a recommendation to a hospital board. Women who couldn’t afford this option turned to illegal providers whose methods brought the risk of permanent infertility or death. The crackdown on abortion intensified after World War Two. Physicians joined hospitals in clinics and mass, which brought institutional scrutiny of their decisions. Stage tried to close the loophole exploited by wealthy women by mandating approval from a hospital appointed committee. Police raided abortion facilities and then physically examined the arrestees while in custody. Getting a safe abortion became harder, so
the practice went further underground. Organizations like the clergy consultation service, founded by a group of Protestant ministers and Jewish
rabbis, ferried women to states where abortion was legal. By 1970, the group was helping an estimated 150,000 women a year terminate their pregnancies. Other groups helped women travel to Mexico or Puerto Rico to have the procedure done safely. Women who cannot access reliable services turned to nefarious, untrained practitioners. The result was a spike in death rates from abortions in the 1960s. Researchers at UCLA predicted that criminalization would result in the deaths of 5,000 women each year during this time period. Hospitalizations from botched abortions became a national epidemic. Treating women who had abortion complications helped convince a segment of the medical community, that once called for restrictive bans, to push for decriminalization. The professions about face set the stage for the Supreme Court’s 1973 decision in Roe vs. Wade, which struck down state laws criminalizing abortion as unconstitutional. Today that decision could be overturned by the high court’s conservative majority. If that happens it will not only once again drive the practice underground, but also results in a whole new realm of state surveillance and misapplication of laws to monitor women’s bodies. As with prohibition of drugs, alcohol, and sex work, a legal ban on abortion wouldn’t be effective because so many women don’t believe the practice should be illegal. But they also have an easier time than ever before of not getting pregnant in the first place. One of the biggest changes since the days when abortion first became a crime in the 19th century, is better birth control. Today wider access to contraception has driven the U.S. abortion rate down to its lowest level since the passage of Roe vs. Wade. And that number could be brought down even further by making the pill available over-the-counter. The major lesson of history is that activists should focus on changing individual minds. Because outlawing a widely accepted practice always leads to more human suffering.

Abortion Bans Failed in the 19th Century. They’ll Also Fail in the 21st.
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100 thoughts on “Abortion Bans Failed in the 19th Century. They’ll Also Fail in the 21st.

  • September 17, 2019 at 12:33 am
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    want to ban abortion? adopt at least two children and then maybe we can deal with all of those unwanted children more realistically.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 12:49 am
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    Conservatives, this nation has so many bigger fish to fry than abortion. Let women have their abortions if they want them. No one should be forced into parenthood.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 12:53 am
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    Y’all know what’s not going to happen? The Supreme Court rejecting roe v wade. Brett kavenaugh supports abortions up until after the first trimester. Stop propagating that it will happen when he has already shown that he is on the opposite side.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 1:02 am
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    The conclusion is a good lesson, because right now the Pro-life movement is winning the argument. On the other hand the pro-choice group allows abortion up to and slightly after birth. They defend the legacy of a woman who has been successful in terminating 30 million African American fetuses.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 1:04 am
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    State should not fund Planned Parenthood.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 1:11 am
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    The Left has made abortion more than being about safe, legal, and rare, but is now literally a sacrament tantamount to being part of a religious practice. The anti-abortion movement started resulting from Roe v Wade and due to national laws passing preventing states from being able to regulate the procedure. Futhermore, the Left is now pushing the outer end of the envelope with the later term abortion laws passed in states, like New York, that is turning voters away from abortion. In short, like the climate change gun rights issues, the Left is overplaying their hand and allowing their opponents to set the terms of or win the debate. If abortion is criminalized it will be due to the efforts of its defenders, not its opponents.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 1:20 am
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    ReasonTV is not very "Reasoned" in this instance. You cannot effectively compare the late 1800's to today. This is 2019. We have effective birth control today. Clearly ReasonTV is taking a very biased position to this debate, and thus invalidated their position entirely.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 1:28 am
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    No one will take your right to kill your kids away from you. They will take away your right to own a gun.. but your baby killing ways are safe.

    I am so glad abortions are safe… imagine the poor population if they couldn't kill their kids

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  • September 17, 2019 at 1:43 am
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    Half of black people are killed by abortion 🤔🤫

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  • September 17, 2019 at 1:45 am
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    This is a poor video and really biased.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 1:48 am
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    Fifty million people since Roe versus Wade have been killed and that's probably the same number of illegal and legal immigrants that have come into the country.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 1:52 am
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    Don’t Hurt People and Don’t Take Their Stuff… unless he/she is in the womb and the mother chooses so.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 1:58 am
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    Abortion is the termination of human life. Reason this is terrible that you promote it. You leftists just lost a subscriber.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 2:05 am
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    Yes Safe abortion should always be an option, it shouldn't be glorified and celebrated or used every couple of months.
    I think it should be a high cost unless you are very young or in a dangerous situation, otherwise the cost should encourage using birth control first.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 2:07 am
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    Haha. All these so-called libertarians got butt hurt by this video. You're just conservative Christian nationalists. You aren't libertarians if you disliked this video. You subscribed to the wrong channel.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 2:14 am
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    Unborn children have every bit of right to live, as long as they live outside their mother’s body.

    Regardless whose life is at stake, nobody, ABSOLUTELY NOBODY has a right to live inside a person against their will it doesn't matter if that person is 7 days old, 7 weeks old, or even 7 months old. It doesn't matter if an unborn baby is living inside a man or a woman.

    If you live in my house against my will, I will have to remove you by any means necessary and whether you live or die after that is none of my business, same thing applies if you quite literally live inside me, if I tell you to leave, you leave one way or another and whether you are two days old or two weeks old is none of my business and whether I am a man, woman or even a transgender is none of your business. You or anyone else have no legal or moral right to live inside me or anybody without consent, period.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 2:21 am
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    There are consequences to your actions. A consequence of sex is an unique genetically complete life, at the moment of conception. As libertarians we should have a high value on unique genetically complete life's rights. This video runs counterintuitive to our values as libertarians.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 2:32 am
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    Just when you thought ReasonTV could not getting stupider.
    I only subbed for John Stossel but I went ahead and Subscribed dirdctly to his channel so I could unsubscribe from this trash.
    " lets not have laws against murder becausue they are not 100% effective. " I expected libertarians to protect human life, not to support litteral murder

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  • September 17, 2019 at 2:34 am
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    Ask how many women would get an abortion if it was illegal, a lot wouldn’t. Look I volunteer with women in crisis pregnancies and some of them do abort and simply put because it’s legal. The majority of women I do work with experience pressure from their partner, friends or family to abort even when they don’t want too. Back then there was a huge stigma being pregnant and not so much anymore. The doctors were against it because they knew abortion ended the life of a human child. It was actually extremely rare women were incarcerated most often they could testify against the abortionist because many viewed women as a second victim. An abortion is not a medical necessity in about 95% of cases. If you can get your hands on a copy of, Aborting America written by a former abortionist and co-founder of NARAL, I really recommend it. Death rates were often because of antibiotics and sonograms have reduced rates. A lot of procedures had higher death rates than today. I do agree changing hearts & minds are important, but I can offer the moon to a woman with all the resources to not abort her 20 week twins and she can go right ahead and do it (yes this actually happened).

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  • September 17, 2019 at 2:39 am
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    What the fuck is wrong with German people?
    https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/ct-ptb-ulrich-klopfer-indiana-clinics-st-0917-20190916-oxprbsm44zfgpomjffiik6rnje-story.html

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  • September 17, 2019 at 2:44 am
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    You lost me at "generally male doctors got to make the decision when it came to a woman's personal health". Your misandry is showing…

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  • September 17, 2019 at 2:58 am
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    I probably won't disagree with this video but don't call it "reproductive health" 🙄

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  • September 17, 2019 at 3:06 am
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    Everyone should watch "Unplanned". It answers everything!

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  • September 17, 2019 at 3:07 am
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    Huh? According to you, the old rate in the mid-19th century was 20% of all women, but the new, post-Roe rate is 24% of all women (according to Guttmacher), so didn't you just prove that Roe INCREASED abortions? Also, you know what else wasn't controversial before the mid 19th century? Slavery. So didn't you just prove that abortion, like slavery, is an abomination that we only began fighting in the mid 19th century? These facts just don't seem to prove your case; it's as if you just have a conclusion & you assume the facts support it, rather than actually explaining the alleged link.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 3:10 am
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    Quickening was part of Catholic doctrine? Huh? That's a huge claim w no evidence. FYI the Catholic Church denies your allegation, so it'd be nice if you tried to prove that claim.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 3:13 am
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    This video is propaganda that avoids the first principle arguments. If you're making a libertarian argument, then make the best non-aggression principle case you can. This isn't that; not at all.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 3:16 am
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    "Abortion Bans Failed in the 19th Century. They'll Also Fail in the 21st."

    What do you mean by this? That because people will break the law the law ought to not even be a thing?

    "Listen folks! We said "don't murder" in the 19th century and people were still murdering each other. We said don't murder one another in the 21st century and people are STILL doing it. That's it, if no one listens we're just going to not care. Go murder one another, what do I care.. No one even listens anyway D;"

    What kind of a retarded logic is this?

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  • September 17, 2019 at 3:24 am
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    The kind of retarded "Libertarians" that don't see the glaring problem with abortions are the same kind that believe that blackmail ought to be legal.

    Ronald Reagan was a true Libertarian, he opposed it. The notion of "your right to swing your fists ends where my nose begins" applies to children in the womb as well. Your right to stick metal hooks into your womb ends where the fetus begins. The very same fetus that you willingly wantingly lustfully got in the first place.

    Women DO have a right to choose, no one is saying "we gotta impregnate these women, against their will if we have to."

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  • September 17, 2019 at 3:25 am
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    Reason got woke

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  • September 17, 2019 at 3:29 am
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    Abortion rates spiked after it was substantially legalized. Even using the numbers quoted in ReasonTV's own video (1 in 5 women having had an abortion prior to legalization), we get a figure smaller than what is often touted today (1 in 4). Then the abortion rates hit a post-legalization peak and from then has declined in rate. If we made abortion for convenience illegal (which would make 9 out of 10 abortions illegal), the results would not be to create a back-alley abortion crisis. In reality, it would make people use more contraceptives more often. There are at least a few types of contraceptives other than the male condom which do not cause abortions. So it's not like there aren't other options out there. Moreover, contraceptives will only become more reasonably accessible and affordable over time.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 3:41 am
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    you used to post good content. unsubscribe

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  • September 17, 2019 at 4:46 am
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    Im a person who doesnt care about human life if it doesnt have a mind
    Fetuses, vegetables, the severely autistic to me are not people
    But abortion should be prohibited for the fact its only historical use from its inception until today has been eugenics

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  • September 17, 2019 at 4:56 am
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    The key argument for abortion is that you aren't terminating a human. I can think of nothing less libertarian than classifying your fellow man/woman as disposable subhuman property owned by a another. Nice job trying to jerk off YouTube's algorithm Reason.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 5:03 am
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    In 1860, slave owners argued that a ban on slavery would infringe on their constitutional right to their property. The argument only worked if you didn’t consider slaves to be human.

    Today, some people argue that a ban on abortion would infringe upon a woman’s right to make her own decisions about her own body. The argument only works if you don’t consider a human fetus to be a HUMAN fetus.

    As a libertarian, I support the constitutional rights of all humans, whether they are adults, teenagers, children, toddlers, infants, or fetuses.

    Reason, let’s see a video about abortion from a libertarian viewpoint, including a discussion on responsibility and accountability. Or how tax dollars are being spent to remove (not protect) the constitutional right to life.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 5:07 am
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    It's not a question of whether the law can be universally enforced. It's a question of whether a fetus is biologically a human being, and whether the state has the obligation to protect all human beings equally. the first is answered in the affirmative by biology, and the second is answered in the affirmative by world war II.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 5:17 am
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    When a libertarians make arguments against the non-aggression principle it mades me shake my head. Good Lord.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 5:24 am
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    As with basically all content made about abortion, nothing discussed was relevant — not about a "woman's choice" and certainly not stats about abortion in the 19th century. The one and only question that matters on this issue is whether or not a fetus is a person, i.e. has rights. In terms of morality, if you believe in fetal personhood you cannot be in favor of abortion — if you don't, you cannot be in favor of restricting abortion.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 5:31 am
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    One of the principles this country was founded on is that we, each of us, have unalienable rights (given to us by our creator). One of these rights, and the most fundamental because without it there can be no others, is the right to life. If we don't protect the rights of every one of us, then one by one those rights will be usurped by the power hungry among us. If we want to remain free people we must protect the right to life, as well as all subsequent rights for everyone, especially those who cannot defend themselves. If we don't, and care so little for the right to life, then how long will it be before we become "pro ethnic cleansing", or "pro post birth abortion for all handicapped", or "pro euthanasia for the elderly" as being an inconvenient burden on society? You may think this is not possible, but before abortion was legalized the vast majority of Americans were abhorred by the idea, now most accept it. When abortion was first legalized, to make a point when speaking with people who were OK with it, I argued that one day post birth should be no different. After all, the baby, whether three weeks before or one day after birth is equally dependent on the mother. Even the most staunch pro abortion person at that time was appalled I could suggest such a thing, yet today it's within a day of what NY allows and few seem the least bit shocked.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 6:10 am
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    The video doesn't seem very informative. Everyone knows that there will always be people who break laws… This video doesn't do anything to further the conversation.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 7:27 am
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    Abortion is good for the planet. 2+ abortions can't be wrong.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 7:33 am
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    People continue to commit murder despite murder being illegal. Therefore, murder should not be illegal.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 7:43 am
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    So, killing potential humans is a Human Right..?

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  • September 17, 2019 at 7:45 am
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    As long as it’s not post abortion and paid for with my taxes I don’t give a shit

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  • September 17, 2019 at 7:54 am
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    Keep in mind that, even when banned in the majority of cases, most deaths by illegal abortions were still in a clinic. The main cause of these deaths were the result of a lack of access to antibiotics (note the plummeting numbers around 1945). Even in the very year prior to Roe v. Wade (1972), only 63 deaths were attributed to abortions (24 of them legal).

    In the end, what's inside of the woman is not HER body, but another human life that had absolutely no choice in the matter of conception. Just as the law recognizes as the preservation of life (not health, wealth, or convenience) as the only time it is justifiable to take a human life outside of the womb, it should be that way inside of it.
    Even in rape, the child is another victim. If you would condemn the killing of a raped woman, you should have the same consideration for her child. She can always give the baby away to people who can care for them without the pain of the memory.
    Saying that the unborn child "isn't yet human" or "isn't fully human" so you can justify killing them is no different back when the law would look the other way when a non-white or gay person was killed. What about countries where women, even today, can be killed for doing things that men are allowed to do? Again, they justify it by saying the these human beings weren't "human enough" for the law and society to protect them. It was/is evil there & then; it's evil here & now.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 8:28 am
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    LawS dOnt StoP da MuRderS
    sO doNt bAn da muRdeRs
    DaTs loGicAls
    daT iZ da Gud reAsOn ThinKin

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  • September 17, 2019 at 8:53 am
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    Let’s be real on the number of women who received abortions pre Roe v Wade. Not to mention the man who gave the statistic that so many women were getting back alley abortions later admitted that he made it up so that abortions could be legal………not to mention the grounds of Roe v Wade were shady at best. No critical thinking here apparently. Keep drinking the KoolAid “ReasonTV”…

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  • September 17, 2019 at 9:05 am
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    As a Libertarian I am pro-choice on everything.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 9:16 am
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    Roe v. Wade is a violation of the 10th Amendment

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  • September 17, 2019 at 9:51 am
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    Reason is full of shit half the time. Of course abortion bans worked back in the day. The volume of abortions before and after is all we need to know. More black babies are aborted then born every yr in America. Turns out that was exactly the Hope's of the white supremacist founder of planned parenthood Margaret Sanger. Her every hope for the program has worked out perfectly while being sold as pro women and pro black women. It's a lie that has caused a holocaust of it's own.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 10:14 am
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    it's funny how the right and left make the exact same arguments just about different issues.

    this one is about the efficacy of laws. left also affirms that laws against immigration don't work either.

    but gun control? they fully believe in the total efficacy of gun control measures.

    and of course, the right is just the mirror image.

    fuck us.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 10:23 am
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    [Rape] bans failed in the 19th Century. They'll Also Fail in the 21st.
    [Murder] bans failed in the 19th Century. They'll Also Fail in the 21st.
    [Theft] bans failed in the 19th Century. They'll Also Fail in the 21st.
    [Paedophillia] bans failed in the 19th Century. They'll Also Fail in the 21st.
    [Beastiality] bans failed in the 19th Century. They'll Also Fail in the 21st.

    Its almost as if the point of laws is to punish amoral behaviour, not to use magical vellum to stop people doing things through black magic using the mystical process of law. Huh. Go figure.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 10:57 am
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    BABY KILLERS

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  • September 17, 2019 at 11:12 am
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    This is a propagada piece. Imnvery disappointed with what I thought was Reason.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 11:20 am
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    Unsubscribed

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  • September 17, 2019 at 11:21 am
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    In the comments: butthurt anti-choicers complaining about reality.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 12:26 pm
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    Is it a human being? Is it wrong to kill innocent human beings? Does abortion kill innocent human beings?

    You would think Reason would ask these basic questions.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 12:44 pm
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    That last line was hella true, "Activists should focus on changing individual minds because banning widely accepted practices always leads to more human suffering." I would take this a step further and note that widely accepted only requires less than a percent participation as one percent is still 3.5 million people in this country, or 75 million people for international laws.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 12:52 pm
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    Every time I prepare to switch the libertarian party reason TV comes out with a video like this and I get pushed a mile away. Just because a law has unintended consequences such as a black market does not mean you shouldn't have the law.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 12:52 pm
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    This is the most retarded comment section I’ve ever seen for a Reason video. Don’t like abortion? Easy solution: don’t get one and leave everyone else alone. Why is that such a hard concept? Freedom to be left the fuck alone is why I went Libertarian in the first place.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 1:01 pm
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    Abortion is a matter of human rights – including the rights of the unborn! We know that babies are capable of life outside of the womb around 22 weeks. They feel pain much earlier. It is cruel and inhumane to kill an innocent baby – period.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 1:50 pm
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    Murder Bans Failed in the 19th Century. They'll Also Fail in the 21st.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 2:08 pm
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    Too libertarian to save millions of babies from being murdered.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 2:10 pm
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    Abortion is cruel to human babies. It is Murder. This argument is pathetic!

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  • September 17, 2019 at 2:21 pm
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    It’s also a widely rejected practice. That ends in the ending of human life. America has committed a genocide in the name of feminism.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 2:46 pm
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    So, literally NO-ONE can keep it in their pants during ANY TIME in history. That's . . . depressing.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 2:59 pm
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    So sorry, but the narrator seems to be trained in debate and speech not broadcasting. Or perhaps just an obvious force-this-shit-down-your-throat opinion piece. The tone is unwelcome from what I've learned to expect from ReasonTV. I wonder how differently this would have sounded if Emma V had voiced it, or if she might have actually refused to do so given its blatant bias.

    Shame.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 4:11 pm
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    If women kill their children they deserve to die themselves.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 4:16 pm
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    Murder bans fail.
    Assault bans fail
    Theft bans fail.

    Yet we still have laws banning those things because they hurt others.
    Abortion belongs in the same category.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 4:16 pm
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    "Outlawing a widely accepted practice always leads to more suffering."

    Like slavery?

    What a moron.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 4:17 pm
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    Abortions should be allowed but should be shamed not encouraged.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 4:25 pm
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    There are a lot of pro lifers here…. The main argument here is that making abortion illegal will make criminals out of people

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  • September 17, 2019 at 4:41 pm
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    Define fail.

    Has homicide legislation failed in the same manner?

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  • September 17, 2019 at 4:46 pm
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    Reason tv became a progressive propaganda tv. We are not brainless idiots who blindly follow whatever the fuck you upload

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  • September 17, 2019 at 4:49 pm
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    This is why protecting someone’s fundamental right to choose should be an amendment to the bill of rights and not dependent on a court decision!

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  • September 17, 2019 at 6:01 pm
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    I outlawed murder, but it still happened. Therefore I should legalize murder?

    Come on reason, it's not that hard to comprehend.

    (also, we have better healthcare and birth control than they did in the 19th century)

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  • September 17, 2019 at 7:05 pm
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    And I just unfollowed.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 9:02 pm
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    I don't comment very often but I kind of need to on this topic. Even though I know that my opinion may not be very popular:

    I am not a fan of abortion. I believe that live is created at fertilization. Not at birth or when the heart starts beating. Also, you never know who that person may become. They could cure AIDS or be the first full time resident of Mars. Yes, the opposite is also true; they could be the next Hitler or Jack the Ripper…

    All that being said, I firmly believe that I DO NOT have the right to tell you what to do if it does not affect me. Expecally in regards to your own body.

    In summary, I do not like abortion but will not support a ban on it.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 9:18 pm
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    Yes let’s wh*re our daughters more, have men that can’t keep it in their pants, on my dime which decreases the consequences so their parents don’t treat such behaviors as badly, and only ever hurts them, instead of pursuing meaningful, not pleasurable relationships.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 9:52 pm
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    Laws banning murder only drive the practice underground.

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  • September 17, 2019 at 9:54 pm
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    As a libertarian, how about we agree on defunding planned parenthood and other abortion clinics with tax payer dollers?

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  • September 17, 2019 at 10:27 pm
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    Conservatives are why I left the libertarians. Reason did an excellent job on this video yet this comment section is full of fucking conservative morons who shout abortion is murder yet think banning it would make it go away lol. Get a fucking grip. Life isn’t precious.

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  • September 18, 2019 at 12:18 am
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    All bans fail or there would be no need for law officers, attorneys or courts. So the main premise of this video is a waste of time. I think the way to go is at the state level as the federal government has already agreed that the state has control over abortion laws. A states rights argument has more chance of winning the day.

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  • September 18, 2019 at 12:32 am
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    Women have a right to control their own bodies. They have more rights that an entity that doesn't have consciousness or feelings. From what I have seen, those who are against abortion rarely care what happens to the already existing person who has consciousness. I find that telling.

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  • September 18, 2019 at 12:44 am
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    Let me also say that most of the remarks below are inane and stupid. Late breaking bulletin, guys: It's not your body. If you are not the father, it's none of you business. You don't have the right to tell women what they may or may not do with their bodies. Don 't get started with the "nonaggression" crap either. That only applies to actual persons. The fetus cannot be a "person" because it doesn't have the prerequisite of consciousness. That's what the majority of philosophers and psychologists say, not just me. And BTW the majority of libertarians (71% according to one nonpartisan poll) are in favor of the right to abortion and so is the Libertarian Party.

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  • September 18, 2019 at 4:05 am
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    These arguments are bad. Do better. Human rights are a thing. And yes a fetus is a human with rights.

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  • September 18, 2019 at 4:10 am
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    93% of biologists say that life begins at conception. Science has spoken

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  • September 18, 2019 at 4:34 am
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    Unfortunately, libertarians who are intelligent enough not to identify as conservative, must deal with the latter trying to share the same roof. As a libertarian, I think one of our greatest political adversaries, Noam Chomsky said it best when he pointed out modern conservatism to be nothing more than state fanaticism bent of curtailing civil liberties guised as "small government"

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  • September 18, 2019 at 5:16 am
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    The decision should be repealed. However as you stated because we have so much good birth control alternatives and effective alternatives I think they should be provided whole heartedly and without any stigma nationwide for better women sexual health. This also included the wide availability of the ru486 pill (the morning after pill). An unwanted pregnancy is an unwanted pregnancy and could have many reasons to have one and all be legitimate . There is no need to murder babies in the womb. We have preventative measures. If states want to allow abortions then great they should, but it shouldn't be a national law or even amendment for abortion or the criminalisation from it. Bring back the midwives and doctors who did offer this (it is a medical procedure) but again we have modern birth control that could prevent it in the first place.

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  • September 18, 2019 at 6:56 am
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    Unsubscribed 🤰🤱🙅‍♂️

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  • September 18, 2019 at 7:47 am
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    Bans on murder and rape also aren't effective.

    Legalize murder and rape.

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  • September 18, 2019 at 9:25 am
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    That moment when looking at the comment section, you realize most "libertarians" are just conservatives who understand nothing of the idea except its economical points. Freedom is freedom. Stop denying it.

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  • September 18, 2019 at 9:33 am
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    The past was brutal and we evolved to a more humane peaceful world. However, with abortion, it's ok to reflect on the past for justification not to evolve and not allow murdering babies.

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  • September 18, 2019 at 9:49 am
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    If a woman wants to abort the baby, then fine. But the man who didnt want the baby in the first place shouldn’t be legally binded to the mother is she decides to keep it. When women have total control of whether the baby is born or not, the man shouldnt have to be stuck and forced into marriage with her

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  • September 18, 2019 at 12:08 pm
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    It’s so refreshing to see other pro life libertarians arguing the NAP for unborn lives.

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  • September 18, 2019 at 12:40 pm
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    This is the death of the libertarian party.

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  • September 18, 2019 at 2:00 pm
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    If we are truly REASONABLE about this, we have to admit that this is a grey area issue. There is no clear cut answer, and those who say they absolutely know the truth about the issue are either delusional or lying. I think the most reasonable stance (which people already naturally gravitate towards) is to discourage unsafe sex and abortion but not obstruct those who for some reason really feel they must have it. We can all agree that the longer the baby is in development the more human & independent it becomes, so late term abortions should be discouraged the most.

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  • September 18, 2019 at 2:21 pm
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    Abortion would hasten the takeover of America by foreigners? That is what is happening now right? Birth rates for whites and blacks are at record lows, and the birth rates for foreign born mothers are through the roof. Illegals are approximately 10% of all people in the country, and that does *not account for all the "citizens" that shouldn't have been born here anyway.
    *Edit: IMO the reason why the limits on legal immigration hasn't been raised, is because illegal immigration is so high. If the target for new immigrants is 5 million, and 3 million enter illegally, and the remaining 2 million have to be split up among 200+ countries then yeah, it kind of looks like what we have going on.

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  • September 18, 2019 at 3:19 pm
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    The protection of life IS IN THE CONSTITUTION.

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  • September 18, 2019 at 4:32 pm
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    Sorry people having an abortion at 8 months it's straight-up murder! There's no reason why you would have an abortion after 2 months unless it poses a risk for the mother.

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  • September 18, 2019 at 8:16 pm
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    As far as I’m concerned, women can have all the abortions they want, but they have to pay for them.

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